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The idea of natural rights is frankly laughable. Humans have always had to fight for their rights. Democracy is the form of government where the fight is done a

The idea of natural rights is frankly laughable. Humans have always had to fight for their rights. Democracy is the form of government where the fight is done at the ballot box. Seems pretty clear to me that the American people do not believe money transfer systems without AML/KYC are a right that people have.

notch656a 4y ago
> Seems pretty clear to me that the American people do not believe money transfer systems without AML/KYC are a right that people have. Maybe it's just because of the area I grew up in, but nearly everyone I know that is from outside the city or government circles is strongly against AML/KYC. I'm nearly certain if you took a democratic vote of everyone in the US they'd vote against AML/KYC. Same goes for TSA, yet somehow they still exist.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  80% of the country lives in urban areas.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    There's an easy way to settle this. Do 51% of Americans want cash to be legal? If so, most Americans believe in having a money transfer system without AML/KYC.
    - __d 4y ago
      In Australia, cash transactions of $10,000 or more must be reported to the government (AUSTRAC https://www.austrac.gov.au/ https://www.austrac.gov.au/). So ... cash can be anonymous, but only up to a certain point. Making multiple transactions of $9999.99 is possible, but it does invite perhaps unwelcome scrutiny.
      - notch656a 4y ago
        The US passed similar laws, but at the time it was passed was the year 1970, when $10,000 was worth, inflation adjusted, over $70,000 and more than the median household income. They used the fact that the majority might have been against these laws but too apathetic to stop it as it was such an incredibly high value compared to what much of the public ever hoped to have in cash savings, to deceive the public into accepting a non-inflation adjusted figure that slowly tightens the noose to ever smaller and smaller transactions (inflation adjusted).
phpisthebest 4y ago
>>The idea of natural rights is frankly laughable. wow... That is a take I will say that, the entire foundation of the American constitutional system is based on the idea of natural rights but sure it is all laughable >Humans have always had to fight for their rights of course... I am not sure how that is a rebuttable to the concept of natural rights. Nature is violent place in it natural state... >Democracy is the form of government where the fight is done at the ballot box Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding on what is for dinner. A Constitutional republic gives the lamb power over the 2 wolves. > Seems pretty clear to me that the American people do not believe money transfer systems without AML/KYC are a right that people have. This is probally the most laughable line in your entire comment, do you honestly believe every law ever passed by the US Congress, or State government enjoyed majority support at the time of its passage Really? For decades now the "American People" by HUGE majority support has wanted to legalization of weed, last I checked that is still illegal
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  > the entire foundation of the American constitutional system is based on the idea of natural rights Although I believe natural rights aren't real, they are a very useful concept to convince people of. If you're able to get people to believe "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are somehow fundamental makes it much less likely for them to take those things away from others. So although the founders were wrong in a literal sense, their ideas did immeasurable good, so I do have a lot of respect for them. > A Constitutional republic gives the lamb power over the 2 wolves. Republics are still democracies, especially in the way that matters here. A system of government that is beholden to the vote of the people. There would be nothing wrong or unnatural about everyone deciding property rights no longer exist and voting to seize the means of production. We make our own rights. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-support-marijuana-legalization/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-s... doesn't support your marijuana stance. Decades ago the american people by HUGE majority wanted weed illegal. As that changed it became legal, which it largely is today in places that want it to be. You can certainly get into federalism versus local government here, but what matters is that we are creating our rights as our stances changes, just as we have for our entire history.

notch656a 4y ago

> Seems pretty clear to me that the American people do not believe money transfer systems without AML/KYC are a right that people have. Maybe it's just because of the area I grew up in, but nearly everyone I know that is from outside the city or government circles is strongly against AML/KYC. I'm nearly certain if you took a democratic vote of everyone in the US they'd vote against AML/KYC. Same goes for TSA, yet somehow they still exist.

colinmhayes 4y ago
80% of the country lives in urban areas.
- notch656a 4y ago
  There's an easy way to settle this. Do 51% of Americans want cash to be legal? If so, most Americans believe in having a money transfer system without AML/KYC.
  - __d 4y ago
    In Australia, cash transactions of $10,000 or more must be reported to the government (AUSTRAC https://www.austrac.gov.au/ https://www.austrac.gov.au/). So ... cash can be anonymous, but only up to a certain point. Making multiple transactions of $9999.99 is possible, but it does invite perhaps unwelcome scrutiny.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      The US passed similar laws, but at the time it was passed was the year 1970, when $10,000 was worth, inflation adjusted, over $70,000 and more than the median household income. They used the fact that the majority might have been against these laws but too apathetic to stop it as it was such an incredibly high value compared to what much of the public ever hoped to have in cash savings, to deceive the public into accepting a non-inflation adjusted figure that slowly tightens the noose to ever smaller and smaller transactions (inflation adjusted).

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>The idea of natural rights is frankly laughable. wow... That is a take I will say that, the entire foundation of the American constitutional system is based on the idea of natural rights but sure it is all laughable >Humans have always had to fight for their rights of course... I am not sure how that is a rebuttable to the concept of natural rights. Nature is violent place in it natural state... >Democracy is the form of government where the fight is done at the ballot box Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding on what is for dinner. A Constitutional republic gives the lamb power over the 2 wolves. > Seems pretty clear to me that the American people do not believe money transfer systems without AML/KYC are a right that people have. This is probally the most laughable line in your entire comment, do you honestly believe every law ever passed by the US Congress, or State government enjoyed majority support at the time of its passage Really? For decades now the "American People" by HUGE majority support has wanted to legalization of weed, last I checked that is still illegal

colinmhayes 4y ago
> the entire foundation of the American constitutional system is based on the idea of natural rights Although I believe natural rights aren't real, they are a very useful concept to convince people of. If you're able to get people to believe "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are somehow fundamental makes it much less likely for them to take those things away from others. So although the founders were wrong in a literal sense, their ideas did immeasurable good, so I do have a lot of respect for them. > A Constitutional republic gives the lamb power over the 2 wolves. Republics are still democracies, especially in the way that matters here. A system of government that is beholden to the vote of the people. There would be nothing wrong or unnatural about everyone deciding property rights no longer exist and voting to seize the means of production. We make our own rights. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-support-marijuana-legalization/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-s... doesn't support your marijuana stance. Decades ago the american people by HUGE majority wanted weed illegal. As that changed it became legal, which it largely is today in places that want it to be. You can certainly get into federalism versus local government here, but what matters is that we are creating our rights as our stances changes, just as we have for our entire history.