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> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants project

> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod071422.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught. Again, just like with Fentanyl it's increasing and now we even have drone videos of groups of hundreds: https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 Pretending it isn't happening is what CNN is doing by ignoring it. You may not care about illegal immigration, but that doesn't make it not a story. Some people do. I don't feel strongly about it either way, but people who only watch CNN don't even know it's happening. So they don't even get the chance to make up their minds about it.
- jedberg 4y ago
  As the sibling comment pointed out, wages for jobs typically done by illegal immigrants is up, which implies immigration is down. So again, the only thing that is up is enforcement. The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    So now it's not "bordering on conspiracy theory" but "the only thing that is up is enforcement." This is called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy The rate going up is a change. New data. News. >The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it. It's a bad situation that has gotten worse. Because more people are dying than previously. That is a story.
- Volundr 4y ago
  CNN has covered it fentanyl deaths increasing increasing. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    So it's a story then? People in this thread are arguing that it isn't.
    - Volundr 4y ago
      No, they are arguing that's it's not a story this week. The first pig->human heart transplant took place earlier this year. Is Fox ignoring it because they haven't covered it this week? Or is it not news because there are no new developments?
      - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
        No, they're literally arguing it isn't a story, right in this same thread: >It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411
        kaba0 4y ago
        That’s one commenter. Others have chimed in countering false claims in one side. That doesn’t mean they automatically support the other side..
xboxnolifes 4y ago
> > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. Even if there isn't new information, it's worth repeating yearly for the simple reason that every year younger people get older and start paying more attention to news. Imagine being 18 and hearing about something for the first time and someone goes "how don't you know about this, CNN covered it 5 years ago!". Also, consider that the fentanyl crisis isn't improving is new information in itself to those who may have stock in the existing attempts to curb it. Even more so that it seems like things are actually getting worse.
- Volundr 4y ago
  We'll it looks like CNN covered it in may in a dedicated article [1], as well as mentioning it in a number of other articles about related things, such as fentanyl drug busts. So they may not be covering it weekly or daily, but it's not like it's going 5 years between mentions. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    So it's clearly a story...
    - mikkergp 4y ago
      No one is saying it's not a story, they're saying an increased quantity of coverage by an outlet above a certain baseline is not done for the purposes of informing the public, it's done for an emotional response.
      - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
        jedberg is literally right here in this thread: >It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod071422.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught. Again, just like with Fentanyl it's increasing and now we even have drone videos of groups of hundreds: https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 Pretending it isn't happening is what CNN is doing by ignoring it. You may not care about illegal immigration, but that doesn't make it not a story. Some people do. I don't feel strongly about it either way, but people who only watch CNN don't even know it's happening. So they don't even get the chance to make up their minds about it.

jedberg 4y ago
As the sibling comment pointed out, wages for jobs typically done by illegal immigrants is up, which implies immigration is down. So again, the only thing that is up is enforcement. The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  So now it's not "bordering on conspiracy theory" but "the only thing that is up is enforcement." This is called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy The rate going up is a change. New data. News. >The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it. It's a bad situation that has gotten worse. Because more people are dying than previously. That is a story.
Volundr 4y ago
CNN has covered it fentanyl deaths increasing increasing. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  So it's a story then? People in this thread are arguing that it isn't.
  - Volundr 4y ago
    No, they are arguing that's it's not a story this week. The first pig->human heart transplant took place earlier this year. Is Fox ignoring it because they haven't covered it this week? Or is it not news because there are no new developments?
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
      No, they're literally arguing it isn't a story, right in this same thread: >It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411
      - kaba0 4y ago
        That’s one commenter. Others have chimed in countering false claims in one side. That doesn’t mean they automatically support the other side..

xboxnolifes 4y ago

> > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. Even if there isn't new information, it's worth repeating yearly for the simple reason that every year younger people get older and start paying more attention to news. Imagine being 18 and hearing about something for the first time and someone goes "how don't you know about this, CNN covered it 5 years ago!". Also, consider that the fentanyl crisis isn't improving is new information in itself to those who may have stock in the existing attempts to curb it. Even more so that it seems like things are actually getting worse.

Volundr 4y ago
We'll it looks like CNN covered it in may in a dedicated article [1], as well as mentioning it in a number of other articles about related things, such as fentanyl drug busts. So they may not be covering it weekly or daily, but it's not like it's going 5 years between mentions. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  So it's clearly a story...
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    No one is saying it's not a story, they're saying an increased quantity of coverage by an outlet above a certain baseline is not done for the purposes of informing the public, it's done for an emotional response.
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
      jedberg is literally right here in this thread: >It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32514411