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The scariest thing about biased news sources is not how they cover something but whether they cover something at all. People who don't tune into multiple will

The scariest thing about biased news sources is not how they cover something but whether they cover something at all. People who don't tune into multiple will simply have no idea that something even happened. They'll have completely different realities based on their perceptions. Just looking at the graph you can see four whole stories that CNN completely omitted, yet there was nothing that CNN covered that Fox ignored. I'm sure there are weeks where fox ignored something too, but in this data the omissions are one sided. This is why one of my daily bookmarks is https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news If any outlet on either side covers it, I'll see it.

jedberg 4y ago
It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    Given that the wages offered for jobs normally performed by illegal immigrants like transient farm labor are up substantially, the number of illegal immigrants is likely down by quite a bit.
  - jedberg 4y ago
    > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
      >It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod071422.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught. Again, just like with Fentanyl it's increasing and now we even have drone videos of groups of hundreds: https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 Pretending it isn't happening is what CNN is doing by ignoring it. You may not care about illegal immigration, but that doesn't make it not a story. Some people do. I don't feel strongly about it either way, but people who only watch CNN don't even know it's happening. So they don't even get the chance to make up their minds about it.
      - jedberg 4y ago
        As the sibling comment pointed out, wages for jobs typically done by illegal immigrants is up, which implies immigration is down. So again, the only thing that is up is enforcement. The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.
        NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
        So now it's not "bordering on conspiracy theory" but "the only thing that is up is enforcement." This is called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy The rate going up is a change. New data. News. >The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it. It's a bad situation that has gotten worse. Because more people are dying than previously. That is a story.
      - Volundr 4y ago
  - ajross 4y ago
    CNN has absolutely covered immigration issues and fentanyl overdoses. They didn't cover those subjects this week, because they had more important breaking news on the TV (like an unprecedented FBI raid on a former president) and those subjects had no new information to report. That doesn't seem relevant to you? Effectively FOX was covering that stuff because it needed filler material to suppress the stories it didn't want to run.
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
      Which stories did Fox not run?
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    CNN covering fentanyl this year: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/health/fentanyl-fatal-overdoses-middle-schoolers/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/health/fentanyl-fatal-overdos... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/health/overdose-deaths-record-high-fentanyl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/health/overdose-deaths-record... https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/health/teen-overdose-deaths-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/health/teen-overdose-deaths-w... https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r... CNN Covering Immigration this year: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/nearly-6000-daily-border-encounters-april/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/nearly-6000-daily-bo... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/politics/border-surge-immigration/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/politics/border-surge-immigra... https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/06/us/texas-immigrants-charter-buses-dc/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/06/us/texas-immigrants-charter-b... https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/ice-immigrants-id-card-migrants-border/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/ice-immigrants-id-ca... https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migrants/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migran...
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
      Note what i was replying to: >It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories. jedberg's claim is that those aren't stories, but a conspiracy theories. CNN seems to disagree with him according to your research.
jollybean 4y ago
First - your assessment of 'omitted by CNN' isn't quite right. "yet there was nothing that CNN covered that Fox ignored. " - this is wrong. There is at any given time, thousands of 'stories' to cover. Almost by definition CNN will have covered something else that Fox didn't. All of the stories they covered are not on that chart. ... There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something. In particular, the issue of possible lab leak and US institutional involvement in research over in China. It's kind of the biggest story of a generation, but it's complicated and almost all that will come out of it is insane populist hysteria and misrepresentations, to it's kind of ignored. It's so hot that nobody seems to want to give it really good airtime; also, it might also be because of relationship with National Security apparatus who probably have maybe told them not to talk about it, but it's hard to know. It's like one of those 'wartime' issues where most of the press closes rank a bit. The implications are just gigantic. If nobody talks about it, then it didn't happen ... kind of thing. It remains an issue for bureaucrats and academics to meander on.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  >There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something.* Completely agree. >In particular, the issue of possible lab leak and US institutional involvement in research over in China. I read the Fauci emails. The person who brought it up made it perfectly clear she thought there was an unnatural segment of DNA in the virus. Yet people were silenced in the beginning for even suggesting the possibility of a lab leak. After receiving and responding to that email he denied the lab leak possibility. Any sane cynic who's been around long enough will assume that all the major players are working on biological weapons. It's reminiscent of the nuclear arms race with similar implications. But we can't even talk about it? Scary.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    It was not about 'biological weapons' just slightly dangerous pandemic research. The issue is not so much the hyper details but the ultimate confusion that arrives from the weird web of interwoven relationships, differing levels of complacency, lack of transparency, corruption in some cases ... without really a proper target to point a finger at (except the Chinese government, it's a clear problem there). It's an intriguing situation really. The 'truth' is not some Scooby Doo 'reveal' but a messy confluence of issues that circle right back to our own institutions and credibility. The populist rage makers could do almost anything they want with it.
kaba0 4y ago
According to this [ https://adfontesmedia.com/download-the-media-bias-chart/ https://adfontesmedia.com/download-the-media-bias-chart/ ] CNN’s website and Fox’s parent company is similarly factual, with a slight bias to their respective side. Their TV channels on the other hand are more biased, but CNN is still more factual. I’m sure some people will not like this, but there also seems to be a correlation between right bias and loss of factuality (and I remember reading a study that show similar things as well). Nonetheless, it’s best to watch less biased, factual reportings.

jedberg 4y ago

It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories.

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  Given that the wages offered for jobs normally performed by illegal immigrants like transient farm labor are up substantially, the number of illegal immigrants is likely down by quite a bit.
- jedberg 4y ago
  > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    >It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod071422.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught. Again, just like with Fentanyl it's increasing and now we even have drone videos of groups of hundreds: https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851 Pretending it isn't happening is what CNN is doing by ignoring it. You may not care about illegal immigration, but that doesn't make it not a story. Some people do. I don't feel strongly about it either way, but people who only watch CNN don't even know it's happening. So they don't even get the chance to make up their minds about it.
    - jedberg 4y ago
      As the sibling comment pointed out, wages for jobs typically done by illegal immigrants is up, which implies immigration is down. So again, the only thing that is up is enforcement. The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.
      - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
        So now it's not "bordering on conspiracy theory" but "the only thing that is up is enforcement." This is called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy The rate going up is a change. New data. News. >The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it. It's a bad situation that has gotten worse. Because more people are dying than previously. That is a story.
    - Volundr 4y ago
- ajross 4y ago
  CNN has absolutely covered immigration issues and fentanyl overdoses. They didn't cover those subjects this week, because they had more important breaking news on the TV (like an unprecedented FBI raid on a former president) and those subjects had no new information to report. That doesn't seem relevant to you? Effectively FOX was covering that stuff because it needed filler material to suppress the stories it didn't want to run.
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    Which stories did Fox not run?
- mikkergp 4y ago
  CNN covering fentanyl this year: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/health/fentanyl-fatal-overdoses-middle-schoolers/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/health/fentanyl-fatal-overdos... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/health/overdose-deaths-record-high-fentanyl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/health/overdose-deaths-record... https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/health/teen-overdose-deaths-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/health/teen-overdose-deaths-w... https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r... CNN Covering Immigration this year: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/nearly-6000-daily-border-encounters-april/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/nearly-6000-daily-bo... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/politics/border-surge-immigration/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/politics/border-surge-immigra... https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/06/us/texas-immigrants-charter-buses-dc/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/06/us/texas-immigrants-charter-b... https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/ice-immigrants-id-card-migrants-border/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/ice-immigrants-id-ca... https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migrants/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migran...
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
    Note what i was replying to: >It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories. jedberg's claim is that those aren't stories, but a conspiracy theories. CNN seems to disagree with him according to your research.

jollybean 4y ago

First - your assessment of 'omitted by CNN' isn't quite right. "yet there was nothing that CNN covered that Fox ignored. " - this is wrong. There is at any given time, thousands of 'stories' to cover. Almost by definition CNN will have covered something else that Fox didn't. All of the stories they covered are not on that chart. ... There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something. In particular, the issue of possible lab leak and US institutional involvement in research over in China. It's kind of the biggest story of a generation, but it's complicated and almost all that will come out of it is insane populist hysteria and misrepresentations, to it's kind of ignored. It's so hot that nobody seems to want to give it really good airtime; also, it might also be because of relationship with National Security apparatus who probably have maybe told them not to talk about it, but it's hard to know. It's like one of those 'wartime' issues where most of the press closes rank a bit. The implications are just gigantic. If nobody talks about it, then it didn't happen ... kind of thing. It remains an issue for bureaucrats and academics to meander on.

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something.* Completely agree. >In particular, the issue of possible lab leak and US institutional involvement in research over in China. I read the Fauci emails. The person who brought it up made it perfectly clear she thought there was an unnatural segment of DNA in the virus. Yet people were silenced in the beginning for even suggesting the possibility of a lab leak. After receiving and responding to that email he denied the lab leak possibility. Any sane cynic who's been around long enough will assume that all the major players are working on biological weapons. It's reminiscent of the nuclear arms race with similar implications. But we can't even talk about it? Scary.
- jollybean 4y ago
  It was not about 'biological weapons' just slightly dangerous pandemic research. The issue is not so much the hyper details but the ultimate confusion that arrives from the weird web of interwoven relationships, differing levels of complacency, lack of transparency, corruption in some cases ... without really a proper target to point a finger at (except the Chinese government, it's a clear problem there). It's an intriguing situation really. The 'truth' is not some Scooby Doo 'reveal' but a messy confluence of issues that circle right back to our own institutions and credibility. The populist rage makers could do almost anything they want with it.

kaba0 4y ago

According to this [ https://adfontesmedia.com/download-the-media-bias-chart/ https://adfontesmedia.com/download-the-media-bias-chart/ ] CNN’s website and Fox’s parent company is similarly factual, with a slight bias to their respective side. Their TV channels on the other hand are more biased, but CNN is still more factual. I’m sure some people will not like this, but there also seems to be a correlation between right bias and loss of factuality (and I remember reading a study that show similar things as well). Nonetheless, it’s best to watch less biased, factual reportings.