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>60% of Republicans turn to Fox News for political news and 53% of Democrats turn to CNN It'd be nice to see comparisons of all the news networks, but if you'r

>60% of Republicans turn to Fox News for political news and 53% of Democrats turn to CNN It'd be nice to see comparisons of all the news networks, but if you're going to start somewhere it seems like the two which have the majority of viewers seems appropriate.

BeetleB 4y ago
It doesn't provide much useful info. That one item is much crappier than another crappy item is not very helpful information.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  >That one item is much crappier than another crappy item is not very helpful information. How is it not? If my options are crap, crappy, super crap and super-extra-duper crap... It seems helpful to know which one is the least crappy. As an aside, are you willing to share which news station you don't put in the crap bucket?
  - BeetleB 4y ago
    > How is it not? If my options are crap, crappy, super crap and super-extra-duper crap... It seems helpful to know which one is the least crappy. It's also helpful to know that they are all crappy, which this didn't show. This is a relative study. If instead they set up some reasonable objective criteria and ranked each news sources according to it, that would be useful. I may see that CNN scores only 20%, and Fox News scores only 10%. Yes, CNN would be better, but it would also tell me not to waste time on either. > As an aside, are you willing to share which news station you don't put in the crap bucket? I was a news junkie a decade ago, and weaned myself off of it. Things have likely changed since those years so it would be hard to suggest some now - I've heard sources like The Guardian have gone downhill, for example. In general, print sources are way better. Even a mediocre print source tends to be better than almost all video/TV news. Radio is somewhere in between. McClatchy DC[1] was one resource I would recommend in those days. It's a "general purpose" news organization and one of the few mainstream publications that often covered items neglected by the rest. Most hadn't heard of it, but the parent organization owns several well known print newspapers. I see they filed for bankruptcy in 2020. I don't know if they've been able to maintain the quality. As much as I dislike the NY Times, it's still way ahead of CNN/Fox/MSNBC. [1] https://www.mcclatchydc.com/ https://www.mcclatchydc.com/
tenpies 4y ago
Indeed, the relative numbers are a complete misrepresentation of the image. You need to see nominal viewers to understand just how absolutely crushing Fox News' dominance has been, not just of CNN, but of all the Leftist media. The second most viewed news source (and most viewed Leftist one) isn't even CNN any more, it's been MSNBC for a while now: https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ... And it has continued to get worst for the Leftist mainstream media.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  If there's something important in that link, can you write it out? I cannot view "premium" statistics. >You need to see nominal viewers to understand just how absolutely crushing Fox News' dominance has been Nominal viewers does seem really important to determine dominance. I'm not sure it's as important in the context of the project here, though. The numbers I quoted only seem to matter with respect to how the news sources were initially selected, not the actual analysis being done. I guess that stat does suggest they should compare Fox to MSNBC rather than CNN.
timbit42 4y ago
It's interesting that CNN's website has more than double the website visits as FoxNews's website does. * CNN.com: 524 million * NYtimes.com: 449.9m * FoxNews.com: 263m * WashingtonPost.com: 156.9m * CNBC.com: 144.5m * NYPost.com: 119.6m * Forbes.com: 85.7m * USAToday.com: 85.5m * BusinessInsider.com: 80.7m * NPR.org: 76.6m Source: SimilarWeb.com
- chrismeller 4y ago
  Well CNN has quite a viewership internationally - Fox not so much.
- raydev 4y ago
  I'll make a wild guess and say that Fox News's audience trends much older. And as sibling comment says, CNN is well known internationally.
- wdr1 4y ago
  On the other hand, more people watch Fox News than CNN & MSNBC combined. https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-june-27-basic-cable-ranker-fox-news-is-no-1-in-total-viewers-and-among-adults-25-54/510429/ https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-june-27-basic-cable-...

BeetleB 4y ago

It doesn't provide much useful info. That one item is much crappier than another crappy item is not very helpful information.

ziddoap 4y ago
>That one item is much crappier than another crappy item is not very helpful information. How is it not? If my options are crap, crappy, super crap and super-extra-duper crap... It seems helpful to know which one is the least crappy. As an aside, are you willing to share which news station you don't put in the crap bucket?
- BeetleB 4y ago
  > How is it not? If my options are crap, crappy, super crap and super-extra-duper crap... It seems helpful to know which one is the least crappy. It's also helpful to know that they are all crappy, which this didn't show. This is a relative study. If instead they set up some reasonable objective criteria and ranked each news sources according to it, that would be useful. I may see that CNN scores only 20%, and Fox News scores only 10%. Yes, CNN would be better, but it would also tell me not to waste time on either. > As an aside, are you willing to share which news station you don't put in the crap bucket? I was a news junkie a decade ago, and weaned myself off of it. Things have likely changed since those years so it would be hard to suggest some now - I've heard sources like The Guardian have gone downhill, for example. In general, print sources are way better. Even a mediocre print source tends to be better than almost all video/TV news. Radio is somewhere in between. McClatchy DC[1] was one resource I would recommend in those days. It's a "general purpose" news organization and one of the few mainstream publications that often covered items neglected by the rest. Most hadn't heard of it, but the parent organization owns several well known print newspapers. I see they filed for bankruptcy in 2020. I don't know if they've been able to maintain the quality. As much as I dislike the NY Times, it's still way ahead of CNN/Fox/MSNBC. [1] https://www.mcclatchydc.com/ https://www.mcclatchydc.com/

tenpies 4y ago

Indeed, the relative numbers are a complete misrepresentation of the image. You need to see nominal viewers to understand just how absolutely crushing Fox News' dominance has been, not just of CNN, but of all the Leftist media. The second most viewed news source (and most viewed Leftist one) isn't even CNN any more, it's been MSNBC for a while now: https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ... And it has continued to get worst for the Leftist mainstream media.

ziddoap 4y ago
If there's something important in that link, can you write it out? I cannot view "premium" statistics. >You need to see nominal viewers to understand just how absolutely crushing Fox News' dominance has been Nominal viewers does seem really important to determine dominance. I'm not sure it's as important in the context of the project here, though. The numbers I quoted only seem to matter with respect to how the news sources were initially selected, not the actual analysis being done. I guess that stat does suggest they should compare Fox to MSNBC rather than CNN.

timbit42 4y ago

It's interesting that CNN's website has more than double the website visits as FoxNews's website does. * CNN.com: 524 million * NYtimes.com: 449.9m * FoxNews.com: 263m * WashingtonPost.com: 156.9m * CNBC.com: 144.5m * NYPost.com: 119.6m * Forbes.com: 85.7m * USAToday.com: 85.5m * BusinessInsider.com: 80.7m * NPR.org: 76.6m Source: SimilarWeb.com

chrismeller 4y ago
Well CNN has quite a viewership internationally - Fox not so much.
raydev 4y ago
I'll make a wild guess and say that Fox News's audience trends much older. And as sibling comment says, CNN is well known internationally.
wdr1 4y ago
On the other hand, more people watch Fox News than CNN & MSNBC combined. https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-june-27-basic-cable-ranker-fox-news-is-no-1-in-total-viewers-and-among-adults-25-54/510429/ https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-june-27-basic-cable-...