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We don't have a really effective way to make this kind of corruption stop. Increasing the fines won't result in the money getting collected. We used to have s

by mbg721 4y ago

We don't have a really effective way to make this kind of corruption stop. Increasing the fines won't result in the money getting collected. We used to have social and religious ways of dealing with those near the end of their lives who just want to burn the world for personal gain.

johnchristopher 4y ago
> We used to have social and religious ways of dealing with those near the end of their lives who just want to burn the world for personal gain. Can you elaborate ? All I am thinking of is a pharaoh being offered a cup of poison or an old chieftain sent to a last hunt...
- mbg721 4y ago
  Even as late as the 60s, we'd at least deny them pride of place in the parts of communities that dealt with family and spiritual needs. "Prosperity Gospel" shamelessness came later.
  - johnchristopher 4y ago
    I still don't understand. I know what the prosperity gospel is but I am not connecting the dots. What's "pride of place in the parts of communities that dealt with family and spiritual needs" ? Could you provide an example ?
  - trasz 4y ago
    History shows that in many cases the community would blame the victim instead.
- bergenty 4y ago
  Peer shaming. It’s incredibly effective but hard to do in a society without a common, prescribed culture.
420official 4y ago
If prisons didn't generate profit there wouldn't be an incentive or cash flow to pay kickbacks.
- mbg721 4y ago
  But it isn't profit on paper, the state ones cause just as many problems, if not more. If incarceration is solving someone's work problems, that's just like profit.
cortesoft 4y ago
They have been in jail since 2011. This is a separate civil lawsuit unrelated to the criminal charges they were found guilty of over 10 years ago.
trasz 4y ago
The "social and religious ways" usually made the problem worse; that's why got rid of them. And it's not just about raping children in industrial quantities and an occasional murder; even in this case "Ciavarella was also active in several civic and Catholic organizations", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella.

by mbg721 4y ago

johnchristopher 4y ago

> We used to have social and religious ways of dealing with those near the end of their lives who just want to burn the world for personal gain. Can you elaborate ? All I am thinking of is a pharaoh being offered a cup of poison or an old chieftain sent to a last hunt...

mbg721 4y ago
Even as late as the 60s, we'd at least deny them pride of place in the parts of communities that dealt with family and spiritual needs. "Prosperity Gospel" shamelessness came later.
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  I still don't understand. I know what the prosperity gospel is but I am not connecting the dots. What's "pride of place in the parts of communities that dealt with family and spiritual needs" ? Could you provide an example ?
- trasz 4y ago
  History shows that in many cases the community would blame the victim instead.
bergenty 4y ago
Peer shaming. It’s incredibly effective but hard to do in a society without a common, prescribed culture.

420official 4y ago

If prisons didn't generate profit there wouldn't be an incentive or cash flow to pay kickbacks.

mbg721 4y ago
But it isn't profit on paper, the state ones cause just as many problems, if not more. If incarceration is solving someone's work problems, that's just like profit.

cortesoft 4y ago

They have been in jail since 2011. This is a separate civil lawsuit unrelated to the criminal charges they were found guilty of over 10 years ago.

trasz 4y ago

The "social and religious ways" usually made the problem worse; that's why got rid of them. And it's not just about raping children in industrial quantities and an occasional murder; even in this case "Ciavarella was also active in several civic and Catholic organizations", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella.