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Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Tons of power tools, heavy equipment, pretty much every mot

Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Tons of power tools, heavy equipment, pretty much every motorcycle, etc, etc. Edit: INB4 somebody implies otherwise I think these loud exhausts are dumb. And you people seem to be ignoring the criminal implications of the word "assualt". Making noise at midnight is rude but far from a violent crime.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
And those are illegal to use between 11PM and 6AM in my city and presumably most others.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
The intent of using power tools and heavy equipment is not to assault. The intent of a needlessly loud car is to disturb and assault others.
dghughes 4y ago
You can't just switch off the noise of power tools, heavy equipment it's actual sound due to how they work. The Dodge doesn't need the sound to operate.
mikestew 4y ago
Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Yes, and that's why there are regulations in many (most?) municipalities regarding how long, how loud, and when. There is often an actual need for running a backhoe. I'm having trouble coming up with the use case for an EV making noise enough that hearing protection is required.
- torstenvl 4y ago
  That's a non sequitur. There are ordinances against jaywalking; that doesn't make jaywalking assault. There are ordinances against drug use; that doesn't make drug use assault. There are ordinances against camping within city limits; that doesn't make camping assault. The definition of assault is not "something I don't like that has an ordinance against it." Unpleasant sounds are not assault in any U.S. jurisdiction I'm aware of. Using the term in this conversation is hyperbolic and misleading.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    People have been charged with assault for the use of a loudspeaker. If it's loud enough to damage hearing than that's physical harm and thus assault.
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      People have been charged with all sorts of dumb stuff over the years. Heck, I'm sure the civil liberties crowd could list off a couple dozen examples of asinine cases that are pending right now. It's beyond disingenuous to act like the exception is the norm.
    - torstenvl 4y ago
      Well, the closest thing on Lexis is an attempt at inciting an assault in a prison, by declaring over a loudspeaker that a certain inmate was a snitch. Berkshire v. Moran, 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 110795 (W.D.Mich. 2015). Which means one of the following: (1) never happened; (2) didn't hold up in court; or (3) the defendant was totally cool with being labeled a violent convict and didn't appeal.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

And those are illegal to use between 11PM and 6AM in my city and presumably most others.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

The intent of using power tools and heavy equipment is not to assault. The intent of a needlessly loud car is to disturb and assault others.

dghughes 4y ago

You can't just switch off the noise of power tools, heavy equipment it's actual sound due to how they work. The Dodge doesn't need the sound to operate.

mikestew 4y ago

Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Yes, and that's why there are regulations in many (most?) municipalities regarding how long, how loud, and when. There is often an actual need for running a backhoe. I'm having trouble coming up with the use case for an EV making noise enough that hearing protection is required.

torstenvl 4y ago
That's a non sequitur. There are ordinances against jaywalking; that doesn't make jaywalking assault. There are ordinances against drug use; that doesn't make drug use assault. There are ordinances against camping within city limits; that doesn't make camping assault. The definition of assault is not "something I don't like that has an ordinance against it." Unpleasant sounds are not assault in any U.S. jurisdiction I'm aware of. Using the term in this conversation is hyperbolic and misleading.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  People have been charged with assault for the use of a loudspeaker. If it's loud enough to damage hearing than that's physical harm and thus assault.
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    People have been charged with all sorts of dumb stuff over the years. Heck, I'm sure the civil liberties crowd could list off a couple dozen examples of asinine cases that are pending right now. It's beyond disingenuous to act like the exception is the norm.
  - torstenvl 4y ago
    Well, the closest thing on Lexis is an attempt at inciting an assault in a prison, by declaring over a loudspeaker that a certain inmate was a snitch. Berkshire v. Moran, 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 110795 (W.D.Mich. 2015). Which means one of the following: (1) never happened; (2) didn't hold up in court; or (3) the defendant was totally cool with being labeled a violent convict and didn't appeal.