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Drag Coefficient of .35 (vs Model 3 of .23) and a whole bunch of extra weight for this crap is likely to result in very poor range. Why are legacy auto makers

Drag Coefficient of .35 (vs Model 3 of .23) and a whole bunch of extra weight for this crap is likely to result in very poor range. Why are legacy auto makers wasting time on this sort of stuff?

olyjohn 4y ago
Do you want people in EVs or not? Because if you make everything look like a Tesla or Taycan, you're not gonna get muscle car meatheads to ditch their V8s. And if you worry about a little extra bit of aero efficiency, every car is going to be the same shape. I hope you also complain bout the compromised aero in all of these crossover EVs (Model X, and Model S) as well. Because lowering the vehicle back down to car height would also increase their efficiency. But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity.
- Aloha 4y ago
  Also, the charger and challenger start at 32 and 30k respectively, I'd expect the replacement to be in the same price bracket too. This is another important thing for EV adoption, affordable cars. The concept as introduced is the equivalent of an 80k+ hellcat, not what the bulk of the model sells.
- xur17 4y ago
  That's a fair point, but to me it's the gimmicky "synthetic engine noise" that makes absolutely no sense. It's a bridge for people stuck in the past on gas cars that helps better map to their mental model of a good car, and will be gone in 10-20 years.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Meatheads will never willingly switch to electric vehicles because they've made it an identity issue. For these people, harming the environment and "owning the libs" is not something they can give up after spending the last however many years making it a part of who they are. >But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity. People have bitched on this very forum, within the last month, about how stupid it is that SUVs and giant luxury trucks seem to be the new family vehicle of choice.
  - Aloha 4y ago
    I drive a big V8 car (Chrysler 300S), I'd gladly drive a BEV (though I'd prefer hybrid for range reasons on a road trip), but I want something that with all the options I got cost about what my 300 did (45k). I want something where I can opt out of the sunroof and get a metal roof. I also need to live in a place where I can charge at home, while I'm willing to accept a 45min to 1 hour time line to get a 400 mile range, right now, that'd mean I have to go spend an hour once a week some place and charge, right now thats worth more in my time than the money I'd save. Until someone fixes charging at apartments (not fancy apartments, but the ones normal people live at) there is a limit to the market penetration of BEV's.

Drag Coefficient of .35 (vs Model 3 of .23) and a whole bunch of extra weight for this crap is likely to result in very poor range. Why are legacy auto makers wasting time on this sort of stuff?

olyjohn 4y ago

Do you want people in EVs or not? Because if you make everything look like a Tesla or Taycan, you're not gonna get muscle car meatheads to ditch their V8s. And if you worry about a little extra bit of aero efficiency, every car is going to be the same shape. I hope you also complain bout the compromised aero in all of these crossover EVs (Model X, and Model S) as well. Because lowering the vehicle back down to car height would also increase their efficiency. But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity.

Aloha 4y ago
Also, the charger and challenger start at 32 and 30k respectively, I'd expect the replacement to be in the same price bracket too. This is another important thing for EV adoption, affordable cars. The concept as introduced is the equivalent of an 80k+ hellcat, not what the bulk of the model sells.
xur17 4y ago
That's a fair point, but to me it's the gimmicky "synthetic engine noise" that makes absolutely no sense. It's a bridge for people stuck in the past on gas cars that helps better map to their mental model of a good car, and will be gone in 10-20 years.
mrguyorama 4y ago
Meatheads will never willingly switch to electric vehicles because they've made it an identity issue. For these people, harming the environment and "owning the libs" is not something they can give up after spending the last however many years making it a part of who they are. >But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity. People have bitched on this very forum, within the last month, about how stupid it is that SUVs and giant luxury trucks seem to be the new family vehicle of choice.
- Aloha 4y ago
  I drive a big V8 car (Chrysler 300S), I'd gladly drive a BEV (though I'd prefer hybrid for range reasons on a road trip), but I want something that with all the options I got cost about what my 300 did (45k). I want something where I can opt out of the sunroof and get a metal roof. I also need to live in a place where I can charge at home, while I'm willing to accept a 45min to 1 hour time line to get a 400 mile range, right now, that'd mean I have to go spend an hour once a week some place and charge, right now thats worth more in my time than the money I'd save. Until someone fixes charging at apartments (not fancy apartments, but the ones normal people live at) there is a limit to the market penetration of BEV's.