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> The Charger Daytona SRT Concept features what Dodge calls a Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust, an “industry-first BEV exhaust” that can reach 126 dB. That makes it

> The Charger Daytona SRT Concept features what Dodge calls a Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust, an “industry-first BEV exhaust” that can reach 126 dB. That makes it as loud as a Hellcat-powered Dodge. This feels like a violation of reasonable engineering ethics.

spankalee 4y ago
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Tons of power tools, heavy equipment, pretty much every motorcycle, etc, etc. Edit: INB4 somebody implies otherwise I think these loud exhausts are dumb. And you people seem to be ignoring the criminal implications of the word "assualt". Making noise at midnight is rude but far from a violent crime.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    And those are illegal to use between 11PM and 6AM in my city and presumably most others.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    The intent of using power tools and heavy equipment is not to assault. The intent of a needlessly loud car is to disturb and assault others.
  - dghughes 4y ago
    You can't just switch off the noise of power tools, heavy equipment it's actual sound due to how they work. The Dodge doesn't need the sound to operate.
  - mikestew 4y ago
    Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Yes, and that's why there are regulations in many (most?) municipalities regarding how long, how loud, and when. There is often an actual need for running a backhoe. I'm having trouble coming up with the use case for an EV making noise enough that hearing protection is required.
    - torstenvl 4y ago
      That's a non sequitur. There are ordinances against jaywalking; that doesn't make jaywalking assault. There are ordinances against drug use; that doesn't make drug use assault. There are ordinances against camping within city limits; that doesn't make camping assault. The definition of assault is not "something I don't like that has an ordinance against it." Unpleasant sounds are not assault in any U.S. jurisdiction I'm aware of. Using the term in this conversation is hyperbolic and misleading.
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        People have been charged with assault for the use of a loudspeaker. If it's loud enough to damage hearing than that's physical harm and thus assault.
        throwaway0a5e 4y ago
        People have been charged with all sorts of dumb stuff over the years. Heck, I'm sure the civil liberties crowd could list off a couple dozen examples of asinine cases that are pending right now. It's beyond disingenuous to act like the exception is the norm.
        torstenvl 4y ago
        Well, the closest thing on Lexis is an attempt at inciting an assault in a prison, by declaring over a loudspeaker that a certain inmate was a snitch. Berkshire v. Moran, 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 110795 (W.D.Mich. 2015). Which means one of the following: (1) never happened; (2) didn't hold up in court; or (3) the defendant was totally cool with being labeled a violent convict and didn't appeal.
superchroma 4y ago
The fixation on it is seriously lame, and it didn't sound that good in the video either. I hope it can be turned off.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  You'll likely be able to disconnect it, similar to the pedestrian noisemaker on other EVs. People buy a car from a place of ego and emotion. That is this feature's purpose. Hopefully it will be regulated away. https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-noise-control-act https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-noise-control-a... https://noise-ordinances.com/ https://noise-ordinances.com/
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Pedestrian noisemakers are for safety.
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      I was not comparing utility, only disconnect ability.
    - snarfy 4y ago
      As a pedestrian I would rather be unsafe than to be assaulted literally every day, multiple times a day like I am currently.
      - themitigating 4y ago
        The low noise that EVs make, which is usually less than a combustion engine car, is not an assault. You are just angry because it's something new and new things make you uncomfortable because you have to adjust to them.
- rasz 4y ago
  To you, but to muscle crowd stupid noise is essential.
ParksNet 4y ago
Drag Coefficient of .35 (vs Model 3 of .23) and a whole bunch of extra weight for this crap is likely to result in very poor range. Why are legacy auto makers wasting time on this sort of stuff?
- olyjohn 4y ago
  Do you want people in EVs or not? Because if you make everything look like a Tesla or Taycan, you're not gonna get muscle car meatheads to ditch their V8s. And if you worry about a little extra bit of aero efficiency, every car is going to be the same shape. I hope you also complain bout the compromised aero in all of these crossover EVs (Model X, and Model S) as well. Because lowering the vehicle back down to car height would also increase their efficiency. But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity.
  - Aloha 4y ago
    Also, the charger and challenger start at 32 and 30k respectively, I'd expect the replacement to be in the same price bracket too. This is another important thing for EV adoption, affordable cars. The concept as introduced is the equivalent of an 80k+ hellcat, not what the bulk of the model sells.
  - xur17 4y ago
    That's a fair point, but to me it's the gimmicky "synthetic engine noise" that makes absolutely no sense. It's a bridge for people stuck in the past on gas cars that helps better map to their mental model of a good car, and will be gone in 10-20 years.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    Meatheads will never willingly switch to electric vehicles because they've made it an identity issue. For these people, harming the environment and "owning the libs" is not something they can give up after spending the last however many years making it a part of who they are. >But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity. People have bitched on this very forum, within the last month, about how stupid it is that SUVs and giant luxury trucks seem to be the new family vehicle of choice.
zardo 4y ago
What's a fratzon?

spankalee 4y ago

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Tons of power tools, heavy equipment, pretty much every motorcycle, etc, etc. Edit: INB4 somebody implies otherwise I think these loud exhausts are dumb. And you people seem to be ignoring the criminal implications of the word "assualt". Making noise at midnight is rude but far from a violent crime.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  And those are illegal to use between 11PM and 6AM in my city and presumably most others.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  The intent of using power tools and heavy equipment is not to assault. The intent of a needlessly loud car is to disturb and assault others.
- dghughes 4y ago
  You can't just switch off the noise of power tools, heavy equipment it's actual sound due to how they work. The Dodge doesn't need the sound to operate.
- mikestew 4y ago
  Think about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Yes, and that's why there are regulations in many (most?) municipalities regarding how long, how loud, and when. There is often an actual need for running a backhoe. I'm having trouble coming up with the use case for an EV making noise enough that hearing protection is required.
  - torstenvl 4y ago
    That's a non sequitur. There are ordinances against jaywalking; that doesn't make jaywalking assault. There are ordinances against drug use; that doesn't make drug use assault. There are ordinances against camping within city limits; that doesn't make camping assault. The definition of assault is not "something I don't like that has an ordinance against it." Unpleasant sounds are not assault in any U.S. jurisdiction I'm aware of. Using the term in this conversation is hyperbolic and misleading.
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      People have been charged with assault for the use of a loudspeaker. If it's loud enough to damage hearing than that's physical harm and thus assault.
      - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
        People have been charged with all sorts of dumb stuff over the years. Heck, I'm sure the civil liberties crowd could list off a couple dozen examples of asinine cases that are pending right now. It's beyond disingenuous to act like the exception is the norm.
      - torstenvl 4y ago
        Well, the closest thing on Lexis is an attempt at inciting an assault in a prison, by declaring over a loudspeaker that a certain inmate was a snitch. Berkshire v. Moran, 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 110795 (W.D.Mich. 2015). Which means one of the following: (1) never happened; (2) didn't hold up in court; or (3) the defendant was totally cool with being labeled a violent convict and didn't appeal.

superchroma 4y ago

The fixation on it is seriously lame, and it didn't sound that good in the video either. I hope it can be turned off.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
You'll likely be able to disconnect it, similar to the pedestrian noisemaker on other EVs. People buy a car from a place of ego and emotion. That is this feature's purpose. Hopefully it will be regulated away. https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-noise-control-act https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-noise-control-a... https://noise-ordinances.com/ https://noise-ordinances.com/
- themitigating 4y ago
  Pedestrian noisemakers are for safety.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    I was not comparing utility, only disconnect ability.
  - snarfy 4y ago
    As a pedestrian I would rather be unsafe than to be assaulted literally every day, multiple times a day like I am currently.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      The low noise that EVs make, which is usually less than a combustion engine car, is not an assault. You are just angry because it's something new and new things make you uncomfortable because you have to adjust to them.
rasz 4y ago
To you, but to muscle crowd stupid noise is essential.

ParksNet 4y ago

Drag Coefficient of .35 (vs Model 3 of .23) and a whole bunch of extra weight for this crap is likely to result in very poor range. Why are legacy auto makers wasting time on this sort of stuff?

olyjohn 4y ago
Do you want people in EVs or not? Because if you make everything look like a Tesla or Taycan, you're not gonna get muscle car meatheads to ditch their V8s. And if you worry about a little extra bit of aero efficiency, every car is going to be the same shape. I hope you also complain bout the compromised aero in all of these crossover EVs (Model X, and Model S) as well. Because lowering the vehicle back down to car height would also increase their efficiency. But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity.
- Aloha 4y ago
  Also, the charger and challenger start at 32 and 30k respectively, I'd expect the replacement to be in the same price bracket too. This is another important thing for EV adoption, affordable cars. The concept as introduced is the equivalent of an 80k+ hellcat, not what the bulk of the model sells.
- xur17 4y ago
  That's a fair point, but to me it's the gimmicky "synthetic engine noise" that makes absolutely no sense. It's a bridge for people stuck in the past on gas cars that helps better map to their mental model of a good car, and will be gone in 10-20 years.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Meatheads will never willingly switch to electric vehicles because they've made it an identity issue. For these people, harming the environment and "owning the libs" is not something they can give up after spending the last however many years making it a part of who they are. >But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity. People have bitched on this very forum, within the last month, about how stupid it is that SUVs and giant luxury trucks seem to be the new family vehicle of choice.

zardo 4y ago

What's a fratzon?