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Dodge Reveals New Charger Daytona EV
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- yowlingcat 4y agoDodge Charging Charger Dodge Charged Charger Dodge Chargeable Charger Dodge Charger Charger I know this is a dad joke but it makes me laugh. I am actually excited about this car moving from concept to production.
- bob1029 4y ago> The Charger Daytona SRT Concept features what Dodge calls a Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust, an “industry-first BEV exhaust” that can reach 126 dB. That makes it as loud as a Hellcat-powered Dodge. This feels like a violation of reasonable engineering ethics.
- spankalee 4y ago
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoThink about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Tons of power tools, heavy equipment, pretty much every motorcycle, etc, etc. Edit: INB4 somebody implies otherwise I think these loud exhausts are dumb. And you people seem to be ignoring the criminal implications of the word "assualt". Making noise at midnight is rude but far from a violent crime.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoAnd those are illegal to use between 11PM and 6AM in my city and presumably most others.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoThe intent of using power tools and heavy equipment is not to assault. The intent of a needlessly loud car is to disturb and assault others.
- dghughes 4y agoYou can't just switch off the noise of power tools, heavy equipment it's actual sound due to how they work. The Dodge doesn't need the sound to operate.
- mikestew 4y agoThink about what you just said. If an intermittent 126db is assault a hell of a lot of things are. Yes, and that's why there are regulations in many (most?) municipalities regarding how long, how loud, and when. There is often an actual need for running a backhoe. I'm having trouble coming up with the use case for an EV making noise enough that hearing protection is required.
- torstenvl 4y agoThat's a non sequitur. There are ordinances against jaywalking; that doesn't make jaywalking assault. There are ordinances against drug use; that doesn't make drug use assault. There are ordinances against camping within city limits; that doesn't make camping assault. The definition of assault is not "something I don't like that has an ordinance against it." Unpleasant sounds are not assault in any U.S. jurisdiction I'm aware of. Using the term in this conversation is hyperbolic and misleading.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoPeople have been charged with assault for the use of a loudspeaker. If it's loud enough to damage hearing than that's physical harm and thus assault.
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoPeople have been charged with all sorts of dumb stuff over the years. Heck, I'm sure the civil liberties crowd could list off a couple dozen examples of asinine cases that are pending right now. It's beyond disingenuous to act like the exception is the norm.
- torstenvl 4y agoWell, the closest thing on Lexis is an attempt at inciting an assault in a prison, by declaring over a loudspeaker that a certain inmate was a snitch. Berkshire v. Moran, 2015 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 110795 (W.D.Mich. 2015). Which means one of the following: (1) never happened; (2) didn't hold up in court; or (3) the defendant was totally cool with being labeled a violent convict and didn't appeal.
- superchroma 4y agoThe fixation on it is seriously lame, and it didn't sound that good in the video either. I hope it can be turned off.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoYou'll likely be able to disconnect it, similar to the pedestrian noisemaker on other EVs. People buy a car from a place of ego and emotion. That is this feature's purpose. Hopefully it will be regulated away. https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-noise-control-act https://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/summary-noise-control-a... https://noise-ordinances.com/ https://noise-ordinances.com/
- themitigating 4y agoPedestrian noisemakers are for safety.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoI was not comparing utility, only disconnect ability.
- snarfy 4y agoAs a pedestrian I would rather be unsafe than to be assaulted literally every day, multiple times a day like I am currently.
- themitigating 4y agoThe low noise that EVs make, which is usually less than a combustion engine car, is not an assault. You are just angry because it's something new and new things make you uncomfortable because you have to adjust to them.
- rasz 4y agoTo you, but to muscle crowd stupid noise is essential.
- ParksNet 4y agoDrag Coefficient of .35 (vs Model 3 of .23) and a whole bunch of extra weight for this crap is likely to result in very poor range. Why are legacy auto makers wasting time on this sort of stuff?
- olyjohn 4y agoDo you want people in EVs or not? Because if you make everything look like a Tesla or Taycan, you're not gonna get muscle car meatheads to ditch their V8s. And if you worry about a little extra bit of aero efficiency, every car is going to be the same shape. I hope you also complain bout the compromised aero in all of these crossover EVs (Model X, and Model S) as well. Because lowering the vehicle back down to car height would also increase their efficiency. But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity.
- Aloha 4y agoAlso, the charger and challenger start at 32 and 30k respectively, I'd expect the replacement to be in the same price bracket too. This is another important thing for EV adoption, affordable cars. The concept as introduced is the equivalent of an 80k+ hellcat, not what the bulk of the model sells.
- xur17 4y agoThat's a fair point, but to me it's the gimmicky "synthetic engine noise" that makes absolutely no sense. It's a bridge for people stuck in the past on gas cars that helps better map to their mental model of a good car, and will be gone in 10-20 years.
- mrguyorama 4y agoMeatheads will never willingly switch to electric vehicles because they've made it an identity issue. For these people, harming the environment and "owning the libs" is not something they can give up after spending the last however many years making it a part of who they are. >But hey, people wanna "sit up high" and nobody ever seems to bitch about how it does literally nothing for you except make an inefficient car with a higher center of gravity. People have bitched on this very forum, within the last month, about how stupid it is that SUVs and giant luxury trucks seem to be the new family vehicle of choice.
- zardo 4y agoWhat's a fratzon?
- stewx 4y agoThis is a concept car, not a production car, from what I can tell.
- stonemetal12 4y agoSeems like weird timing to me, Dodge announced the end of production for the Charger earlier this week. Now this, but not announced as a replacement.
- superchroma 4y agoChallenger is done soon too, I think.
- Aloha 4y agoThe whole platform is, 300, Charger, Challenger - which is fine, the LX/LD platform is a little long in the tooth. I'm excited to see what the production version looks like.
- CSMastermind 4y agoNext year is the last year for the Challenger. They're doing a bunch of special models for it with a `Last Call` badge under the hood. Personally I'm very sad to see them go. It's a car that has a huge following and it feels like Dodge is abandoning its core market with this move.
- superchroma 4y agoI am too, a bit, but they did well with it. They made the best consumer version they could with an ICE, period. I'm not sure we could ask for more (except a RHD model ;_;). It's been around for ages, now, too, a very long time for a platform that has been basically consistent since conception. I don't love the new charger, but it's not a terrible shape. I'm glad it's not a hotwheels car like the Camaro, and it's not a boring family car like the e-Mustang (which deserved a different name).
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- orange_joe 4y agoThe added sound is a travesty. I totally understand the enthusiast perspective, I enjoy f1 and find the sound of formula E to be grating. However intentionally creating and amplifying sound to the point it is louder than an airplane engine is essentially polluting and should probably be seen as similar to rolling coal by authorities.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoAre there any consequences for rolling coal, much less needlessly polluting the environment with extra sound? Anything short of seizure and scrapping for parts seems insufficient.
- NegativeLatency 4y agoI assume if you did it to a cop and they didnt like it something might happen, but I've had it done to me several times and can say confidently: no, there are no consequences. Edit: There are consequences for shops that modify vehicles: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/washington-state-diesel-truck-shop-accused-of-tampering-with-hundreds-of-pickups-to-thwart-emission-controls/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/washin... Feels very similar to the whole loud harley davidson thing, where it's supposedly illegal to make them louder, and yet you hear absurdly loud ones all the time. Paris has also tried automating fines for loud cars: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paris-try-using-sound-sensors-112013091.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paris-try-using-sound-sensors...
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoSame as drilling the third hole or any other noncompliance with a non-trivial federal law. If you commercially facilitate it the feds will screw you as hard as they can politically justify at that particular time. If you do it as an individual then they'll probably ignore you but if you make it easy for them to bring a case they'll charge you with something that has a lot of prison time and let you settle for big fines. Edit: Drilling the third hole = colloquial expression for altering a firearm in a manner that violates federal law.
- wepple 4y agoTitle should be changed to include “concept” which makes this much less significant. Concept electric cars have been happening for ever.
- superchroma 4y agoCommentators on the industry suggest it's not likely to change much, and it's not that far out from the target production date.
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- kuldeep_kap 4y agoAre they adding speakers to make that loud sound?
- superchroma 4y agoYes.
- kazinator 4y agoNicely repurposes the long-running "Charger" product line name.
- danans 4y ago> industry-first BEV exhaust Surely exhaust should be in quotes there. Otherwise what is this exhausting other than sound waves?
- WorldMaker 4y agoPassersby's patience?
- danans 4y agoHah! Good one!
- spaetzleesser 4y agoPretty sad that instead of using electric drivetrains to make cars more efficient they are being used to make them even bigger, more powerful and less efficient. And adding noise artificially should be made illegal. I am generally pretty peaceful but sometimes I feel a strong urge to shoot at the idiots who have to go through my street at five in the morning with bikes and cars with open pipes.
- gffrd 4y agoIf what I'm reading below is true—that this represents an almost-production concept—then this is a very good-looking production car: it takes some design risks and has surface work that's unusually good for a mass-market vehicle. The aperture through the grill, the dimensionality of the rear lights, the seamlessness of the body and glass, the "weight" of the C pillar. It feels like someone hot-rodded a Rolls Royce, and I like it.
- thomascgalvin 4y agoThis car is sexy as hell. I just hope you can see out the back of this one. Changing lanes in the current Charger basically involves hitting your blinker and hoping everyone else gets out of your way.
- superchroma 4y agoThat is traditional. In the 1970 model Challenger, the B pillars are vast. If you come into a turn at the wrong angle other than 90 degrees, you just can't see oncoming traffic.
- gffrd 4y agoAh! Thanks for the lesson … and always good to see references to design heritage.
- quux 4y agoDoes this mean I can have a "charger charger" in my house?
- olivermarks 4y agoMost modern ice vehicles have such efficient tuned and quiet exhausts that engine audio is played through the stereo speakers modulated by the accelerator.
- olivermarks 4y agohttps://youtu.be/4lQPc9VXBzk https://youtu.be/4lQPc9VXBzk audio examples
- culopatin 4y agoMy VW has this. I disconnected it because it felt like the alternator pulley had locked up or that I had severe knocking instead of a “roar”
- outside1234 4y ago
- 1970-01-01 4y agoDodge sends a scary message by showing-off a concept and stating how their engineers did a fantastic job making cars go fast only 60 years ago.