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The biggest gains in performance and efficiency almost always come from moving to newer gen manufacturing. So pretty big deal for computing. We may be close to

The biggest gains in performance and efficiency almost always come from moving to newer gen manufacturing. So pretty big deal for computing. We may be close to the age where most laptops are fanless, for example. Most non apple devices still on 7-11nm equivalents since apple gets first dibs on new gen fabs from TSMC (pay for the right)

drexlspivey 4y ago
> We may be close to the age where most laptops are fanless, for example. Correct me if I’m wrong but high performance fanless laptops are only possible with ARM chips atm. Has any other big laptop chip designer even announced plans for anything remotely close to M1/M2?
- adam_arthur 4y ago
  Most efficiency gains come from manufacturing fab process, not whether it's ARM or x86. M1 is the only 5nm processor on the market right now. Yes, you will see quite comparable performance once Intel and AMD get to 5nm as well
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    Architecture does still matter. M1's decoder is 8 issue. You just can't build that for x86 without pipeline depth or some other resulting tradeoff making it pointless.
rowanG077 4y ago
> So pretty big deal for computing. We may be close to the age where most laptops are fanless, for example. Doubtful since both Intel and Apple are actually INCREASING power requirements over time. Look at Apple M1 vs M2. Intel i7-1185g7 vs i7-1280p.
- adam_arthur 4y ago
  M2 is just an overclocked M1, and thus requires more power as well. Just the same as Intel when they boost clocks for performance The manufacturing process matters far more than whatever tweaks they make intra-generation. M1 is 5nm, Intel is 7-11nm
  - rowanG077 4y ago
    I agree. But my point was that the industry in broad strokes is not moving into the direction of lower power. The opposite in fact. It's been happening for years.
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    > M2 is just an overclocked M1 That's not what Anandtech found when they tested the performance and efficiency cores used in the A15 and M2. Performance: >In our extensive testing, we’re elated to see that it was actually mostly an efficiency focus this year, with the new performance cores showcasing adequate performance improvements, while at the same time reducing power consumption, as well as significantly improving energy efficiency. Efficiency: >The efficiency cores have also seen massive gains, this time around with Apple mostly investing them back into performance, with the new cores showcasing +23-28% absolute performance improvements, something that isn’t easily identified by popular benchmarking. This large performance increase further helps the SoC improve energy efficiency, and our initial battery life figures of the new 13 series showcase that the chip has a very large part into the vastly longer longevity of the new devices. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-perfo...

drexlspivey 4y ago

> We may be close to the age where most laptops are fanless, for example. Correct me if I’m wrong but high performance fanless laptops are only possible with ARM chips atm. Has any other big laptop chip designer even announced plans for anything remotely close to M1/M2?

adam_arthur 4y ago
Most efficiency gains come from manufacturing fab process, not whether it's ARM or x86. M1 is the only 5nm processor on the market right now. Yes, you will see quite comparable performance once Intel and AMD get to 5nm as well
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  Architecture does still matter. M1's decoder is 8 issue. You just can't build that for x86 without pipeline depth or some other resulting tradeoff making it pointless.

rowanG077 4y ago

> So pretty big deal for computing. We may be close to the age where most laptops are fanless, for example. Doubtful since both Intel and Apple are actually INCREASING power requirements over time. Look at Apple M1 vs M2. Intel i7-1185g7 vs i7-1280p.

adam_arthur 4y ago
M2 is just an overclocked M1, and thus requires more power as well. Just the same as Intel when they boost clocks for performance The manufacturing process matters far more than whatever tweaks they make intra-generation. M1 is 5nm, Intel is 7-11nm
- rowanG077 4y ago
  I agree. But my point was that the industry in broad strokes is not moving into the direction of lower power. The opposite in fact. It's been happening for years.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  > M2 is just an overclocked M1 That's not what Anandtech found when they tested the performance and efficiency cores used in the A15 and M2. Performance: >In our extensive testing, we’re elated to see that it was actually mostly an efficiency focus this year, with the new performance cores showcasing adequate performance improvements, while at the same time reducing power consumption, as well as significantly improving energy efficiency. Efficiency: >The efficiency cores have also seen massive gains, this time around with Apple mostly investing them back into performance, with the new cores showcasing +23-28% absolute performance improvements, something that isn’t easily identified by popular benchmarking. This large performance increase further helps the SoC improve energy efficiency, and our initial battery life figures of the new 13 series showcase that the chip has a very large part into the vastly longer longevity of the new devices. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-perfo...