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Does anyone have rumors/insider knowledge about the progression of Epyc/Threadripper? Threadripper seems insanely expensive right now, will the next generation

Does anyone have rumors/insider knowledge about the progression of Epyc/Threadripper? Threadripper seems insanely expensive right now, will the next generation be faster at least or use less energy? Or, in other words, does it make sense to wait?

gjsman-1000 4y ago
Threadripper appears to be basically dead for most markets, being slowly cannibalized by the standard Ryzen platform.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  Cannibalized from the bottom by Ryzen and from the top by Epyc (aka Threadripper Pro).
zitterbewegung 4y ago
Threadripper pro is going to be the only workstation that makes sense anymore. Consumer threadrippers are being phased out. This is all public knowledge . You are better off with high end Ryzen now .
freemint 4y ago
Almost all Threadripper capable silicon ends up in Epyc. Once AMDs server market share is saturated Threadripper will come back. The reason why Intel is looking to push new HEDT is because their server market share is decreasing.
ptomato 4y ago
Threadripper is pretty reasonably priced; a 5995WX is about $101/core, or about 3% more than a Epyc 7773x for 10% more performance. For comparison, a Xeon Platinum 8380, which has roughly similar perf per core, costs $224/core. Sure, consumer CPUs are a bit cheaper; i9-12900kf is about $45/core (though half of those are slow cores) and 5950X is about $34/core, but price discrimination for server lines has always been fairly standard. I think the least expensive you can get into Epyc Milan is around $55/core, but that's on a part that only needs half the cores on an 8-core chiplet to be functional; the 7773x needs all of them, for 8 chiplets, and the 5995WX is that but with even tighter binning for higher clocks.
trynumber9 4y ago
Genoa, from which the next generation TR will likely derive, is up to 96 cores in 12 N5 chiplets with a new N6 IO chiplet that supports PCIe5 and 12 channel DDR5. It has some added instructions (AVX512) and will likely be more efficient at the same clock rate but they will be pushing the clocks higher instead. I would not wait around unless you have plenty of time. I doubt a cut down Genoa will show up on workstations until the server market is satiated.
colinmhayes 4y ago
I wouldn't want to be waiting on Epyc given Intel's difficulty with sapphire rapids. Probably going to be impossible to get them until at least q2 next year when sapphire starts to hit the shelves. Until then I bet the big cloud providers will buy out all the stock.
akelly 4y ago
Neither CPU company lowers prices unless they have competition from the other.
dotnet00 4y ago
Next gen threadripper will be even more overpriced. Threadripper was nice with gen 1 Ryzen because AMD had to earn mindshare. Now it's just a thorn in their side, thus the attempts to gradually move it from enthusiast to pro territory.

gjsman-1000 4y ago

Threadripper appears to be basically dead for most markets, being slowly cannibalized by the standard Ryzen platform.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
Cannibalized from the bottom by Ryzen and from the top by Epyc (aka Threadripper Pro).

zitterbewegung 4y ago

Threadripper pro is going to be the only workstation that makes sense anymore. Consumer threadrippers are being phased out. This is all public knowledge . You are better off with high end Ryzen now .

freemint 4y ago

Almost all Threadripper capable silicon ends up in Epyc. Once AMDs server market share is saturated Threadripper will come back. The reason why Intel is looking to push new HEDT is because their server market share is decreasing.

ptomato 4y ago

Threadripper is pretty reasonably priced; a 5995WX is about $101/core, or about 3% more than a Epyc 7773x for 10% more performance. For comparison, a Xeon Platinum 8380, which has roughly similar perf per core, costs $224/core. Sure, consumer CPUs are a bit cheaper; i9-12900kf is about $45/core (though half of those are slow cores) and 5950X is about $34/core, but price discrimination for server lines has always been fairly standard. I think the least expensive you can get into Epyc Milan is around $55/core, but that's on a part that only needs half the cores on an 8-core chiplet to be functional; the 7773x needs all of them, for 8 chiplets, and the 5995WX is that but with even tighter binning for higher clocks.

trynumber9 4y ago

Genoa, from which the next generation TR will likely derive, is up to 96 cores in 12 N5 chiplets with a new N6 IO chiplet that supports PCIe5 and 12 channel DDR5. It has some added instructions (AVX512) and will likely be more efficient at the same clock rate but they will be pushing the clocks higher instead. I would not wait around unless you have plenty of time. I doubt a cut down Genoa will show up on workstations until the server market is satiated.

colinmhayes 4y ago

I wouldn't want to be waiting on Epyc given Intel's difficulty with sapphire rapids. Probably going to be impossible to get them until at least q2 next year when sapphire starts to hit the shelves. Until then I bet the big cloud providers will buy out all the stock.

akelly 4y ago

Neither CPU company lowers prices unless they have competition from the other.

dotnet00 4y ago

Next gen threadripper will be even more overpriced. Threadripper was nice with gen 1 Ryzen because AMD had to earn mindshare. Now it's just a thorn in their side, thus the attempts to gradually move it from enthusiast to pro territory.