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Said society has fairly simply automated self-cleaning restrooms. It’s really not that hard, or expensive.

by s5300 4y ago

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Based on the fact that they are not in widespread use already, and I have never heard or seen one, it seems reasonable to assume that they do not exist, or are very expensive, or have some other limitation. I would be interested in looking at a link for these bathrooms that do not require human labor for upkeep. Either way, the point is different types of work exist with different difficulties/desirabilities, and people need incentives to do the less desirable and/or more difficult work. If you expect people to slog through medical textbooks and training for 12 years to earn the same as someone checking out groceries, you might be living on a different planet.
- s5300 4y ago
  Hard to imagine you’re posting in good faith when using the search engine of your choice with text “self cleaning restroom” comes up with more than enough. That said, don’t think further debate with you will be anything close to fruitful. edit: In the year 2022, anything on the internet containing close to > I have never heard or seen one Very much leads me to believe the poster has an incurable case of brain worms
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  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    A product being available and a viable product worth buying are different things. I work in real estate development, and we have built gas stations and hotels, and very recently. Either we are wasting a ton of money by employing janitors and housekeepers by not knowing a viable self cleaning bathroom exists, or there is some other problem with self cleaning bathrooms. >I have never heard or seen one >Very much leads me to believe the poster has an incurable case of brain worms Or it means that self cleaning bathrooms would be such an amazing innovation that every single new retail/hotel/gas station/convention center/Starbucks/airport and ANY place with a public restroom would rush to install. And yet it is, objectively, not seen anywhere by me in SF/SEA/NYC/PDX/LA. What is more likely? That the product, if it exists, has severe limitations which make it uneconomical. Or a post on HN is correct that all these airports/hotels/malls I go to, with recent renovations or new builds, simply did not know about them.
jimhi 4y ago
I looked up self cleaning restrooms and how to purchase. They are extremely expensive 300,000-500,000 USD and break constantly due to vandalism. They appear to be very hard and very expensive in practice. You may be thinking of self cleaning toilets which are not relevant to this discussion.
- s5300 4y ago
  If current society can build things that land on the moon & mars, along with nuclear ICBMs among other things, but cannot build a self cleaning restroom, perhaps it deserves to fail. I do however think that is not the case, & that it is a comparatively simple issue nobody has given too much of a fuck about yet, as highly capitalistic societies give zero fucks about improving anything the general public may have access to.
  - jimhi 4y ago
    Those other things have almost no budget or even have to worry about maintenance beyond the first use (rockets startups are potentially changing that of course). I think you are overly pessimistic. There has never more a better time in history for a person with an idea to get funding for crazy ideas like this because of capitalism. They just have to make money. For an idea like this to be worth it and succeed, it has to be cheaper than that person willing to do it manually. High minimum wages and benefits like single payer health insurance will definitely speed this up.

Said society has fairly simply automated self-cleaning restrooms. It’s really not that hard, or expensive.

by s5300 4y ago

Said society has fairly simply automated self-cleaning restrooms. It’s really not that hard, or expensive.

Based on the fact that they are not in widespread use already, and I have never heard or seen one, it seems reasonable to assume that they do not exist, or are very expensive, or have some other limitation. I would be interested in looking at a link for these bathrooms that do not require human labor for upkeep. Either way, the point is different types of work exist with different difficulties/desirabilities, and people need incentives to do the less desirable and/or more difficult work. If you expect people to slog through medical textbooks and training for 12 years to earn the same as someone checking out groceries, you might be living on a different planet.

s5300 4y ago
Hard to imagine you’re posting in good faith when using the search engine of your choice with text “self cleaning restroom” comes up with more than enough. That said, don’t think further debate with you will be anything close to fruitful. edit: In the year 2022, anything on the internet containing close to > I have never heard or seen one Very much leads me to believe the poster has an incurable case of brain worms
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- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  A product being available and a viable product worth buying are different things. I work in real estate development, and we have built gas stations and hotels, and very recently. Either we are wasting a ton of money by employing janitors and housekeepers by not knowing a viable self cleaning bathroom exists, or there is some other problem with self cleaning bathrooms. >I have never heard or seen one >Very much leads me to believe the poster has an incurable case of brain worms Or it means that self cleaning bathrooms would be such an amazing innovation that every single new retail/hotel/gas station/convention center/Starbucks/airport and ANY place with a public restroom would rush to install. And yet it is, objectively, not seen anywhere by me in SF/SEA/NYC/PDX/LA. What is more likely? That the product, if it exists, has severe limitations which make it uneconomical. Or a post on HN is correct that all these airports/hotels/malls I go to, with recent renovations or new builds, simply did not know about them.

jimhi 4y ago

I looked up self cleaning restrooms and how to purchase. They are extremely expensive 300,000-500,000 USD and break constantly due to vandalism. They appear to be very hard and very expensive in practice. You may be thinking of self cleaning toilets which are not relevant to this discussion.

s5300 4y ago
If current society can build things that land on the moon & mars, along with nuclear ICBMs among other things, but cannot build a self cleaning restroom, perhaps it deserves to fail. I do however think that is not the case, & that it is a comparatively simple issue nobody has given too much of a fuck about yet, as highly capitalistic societies give zero fucks about improving anything the general public may have access to.
- jimhi 4y ago
  Those other things have almost no budget or even have to worry about maintenance beyond the first use (rockets startups are potentially changing that of course). I think you are overly pessimistic. There has never more a better time in history for a person with an idea to get funding for crazy ideas like this because of capitalism. They just have to make money. For an idea like this to be worth it and succeed, it has to be cheaper than that person willing to do it manually. High minimum wages and benefits like single payer health insurance will definitely speed this up.