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Interesting downside of human psychology/market dynamics, if many want to help others e.g. as nurses or teachers, that positive trait is punished financially du

Interesting downside of human psychology/market dynamics, if many want to help others e.g. as nurses or teachers, that positive trait is punished financially due to the high number of applicants

mcv 4y ago
Also, if you want to help others, the fact that you can do so is itself used as compensation. Greed is rewarded a lot more than altruism.
germinalphrase 4y ago
“teachers, that positive trait is punished financially due to the high number of applicants” There are teachers shortages throughout the country. States are rushing to reduce certification standards. “A high number of applicants” isn’t the cause of low teacher wages.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Low wages are the reason for low applicants. High standards are another reason for low applicants.
  - weakfish 4y ago
    Also, horrible work life balance. Partner is a teacher and works till 9 every night.
  - germinalphrase 4y ago
    There are multitudes, and they differ across the country. I will add though that “high standards” in many states is as low a bar as ‘generic bachelors degree’ and/or ‘experience relevant to content area’ and the shortage persists.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      When I went to school teachers didn't need a bachelors degree they went to teacher college for a year or two. Requiring a bachelors hasn't increased educational outcomes either just added gatekeeping.
      - germinalphrase 4y ago
        Non-public schools can, of course, hire anyone they like. In many - if not most - states, principals in public schools are empowered to hire anyone with relevant experience under emergency licensure laws. I don’t disagree with your point necessarily, but I also don’t believe it is a significant concern in most places.
epr19 4y ago
Yeah, the "passion tax" is real unfortunately. :/
- npteljes 4y ago
  100%. And we don't need to look far for examples: game studios treat their staff rather poorly too. Supposedly for the same passion tax reasons.
brigandish 4y ago
Isn't the truth really that those are simply jobs a lot of people can do and hence, don't attract much compensation? I would also wonder if there's a way to differentiate oneself in the market so that a good teacher could improve my salary much beyond that of the mean, than an average teacher.

Interesting downside of human psychology/market dynamics, if many want to help others e.g. as nurses or teachers, that positive trait is punished financially due to the high number of applicants

mcv 4y ago

Also, if you want to help others, the fact that you can do so is itself used as compensation. Greed is rewarded a lot more than altruism.

germinalphrase 4y ago

“teachers, that positive trait is punished financially due to the high number of applicants” There are teachers shortages throughout the country. States are rushing to reduce certification standards. “A high number of applicants” isn’t the cause of low teacher wages.

ipaddr 4y ago
Low wages are the reason for low applicants. High standards are another reason for low applicants.
- weakfish 4y ago
  Also, horrible work life balance. Partner is a teacher and works till 9 every night.
- germinalphrase 4y ago
  There are multitudes, and they differ across the country. I will add though that “high standards” in many states is as low a bar as ‘generic bachelors degree’ and/or ‘experience relevant to content area’ and the shortage persists.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    When I went to school teachers didn't need a bachelors degree they went to teacher college for a year or two. Requiring a bachelors hasn't increased educational outcomes either just added gatekeeping.
    - germinalphrase 4y ago
      Non-public schools can, of course, hire anyone they like. In many - if not most - states, principals in public schools are empowered to hire anyone with relevant experience under emergency licensure laws. I don’t disagree with your point necessarily, but I also don’t believe it is a significant concern in most places.

epr19 4y ago

Yeah, the "passion tax" is real unfortunately. :/

npteljes 4y ago
100%. And we don't need to look far for examples: game studios treat their staff rather poorly too. Supposedly for the same passion tax reasons.

brigandish 4y ago

Isn't the truth really that those are simply jobs a lot of people can do and hence, don't attract much compensation? I would also wonder if there's a way to differentiate oneself in the market so that a good teacher could improve my salary much beyond that of the mean, than an average teacher.