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Agreed. Why is that though?

bratbag 4y ago
The best paying jobs are generally the most scalable jobs, as you can derive income from/add value to more revenue streams with minimal time cost on your part. That doesn't automatically correlate with parasitical roles, but there is an overlap.
- ragebol 4y ago
  Might have some truth to it. Human attention does not scale (ie. impact many other people) very well, and jobs where human attention is crucial, like in teaching & care, don't pay very well.
- mind-blight 4y ago
  Yeah, a lot of that motivation lends itself to rent seeking rather than adding value
pjc50 4y ago
"Feeling like your job is rewarding to you" is part of the compensation, and to a certain extent trades off against actual money.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
Intersection of supply curve of people able and willing to do the work and demand curve of people able and willing to pay.
gremlinsinc 4y ago
Because people who value specifics about a career or have a passion do it more out of that passion because they know it doesn't come with high pay. Take teaching for example. Also people working for non profit or other socially beneficial companies probably know the company budget goes to help more people not to pad CEO pockets... The lowest rung of essential jobs are the easiest ones to get so those most desperate for income basically are forced into legal slavery. And it is slavery. In Texas to rent a 1 bedroom apartment you need to work over 90 hours per week, assuming you earn twice minimum wage, maybe even more... Those who take the soulless jobs are taking jobs reserved for people just like them who value money above everything else and who will walk over anybody to get it. They're not as likely to have imposter syndrome because they lack humility and are narcissistic. So they're not as likely to be a pushover and accept standard pay... I wish we all could just earn the same amount but society has decided in a weird way who gets to thrive and we gets to barely survive.. It's not fair but it is what it is.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  > I wish we all could just earn the same amount In your society, what is the incentive for someone to clean up diarrhea in a gas station restroom?
  - s5300 4y ago
    Said society has fairly simply automated self-cleaning restrooms. It’s really not that hard, or expensive.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Based on the fact that they are not in widespread use already, and I have never heard or seen one, it seems reasonable to assume that they do not exist, or are very expensive, or have some other limitation. I would be interested in looking at a link for these bathrooms that do not require human labor for upkeep. Either way, the point is different types of work exist with different difficulties/desirabilities, and people need incentives to do the less desirable and/or more difficult work. If you expect people to slog through medical textbooks and training for 12 years to earn the same as someone checking out groceries, you might be living on a different planet.
      - s5300 4y ago
        Hard to imagine you’re posting in good faith when using the search engine of your choice with text “self cleaning restroom” comes up with more than enough. That said, don’t think further debate with you will be anything close to fruitful. edit: In the year 2022, anything on the internet containing close to > I have never heard or seen one Very much leads me to believe the poster has an incurable case of brain worms
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        lotsofpulp 4y ago
nicoburns 4y ago
Because taking advantage of market failures is much easier to profit from than producing actual value, and neoliberal political ideologies prevent us from correcting for that with regulation.
- rglullis 4y ago
  Please, feel free to share one single example me of a job you can "produce value" without being out-competed by a machine and/or computer.
  - ragebol 4y ago
    I'd value my kids being taught well, me taken care of if I'm in a hospital or old etc. No machine can compete with the human care. Machine can help, but not replace a human.
    - rglullis 4y ago
      This is not a satisfactory answer. First, "human care" is not a direct way of "producing value". Second, if these are the only " interesting jobs" we should be taking, how would society be able to afford it?
goodpoint 4y ago
Because people trade salary for ethical values. Many are are willing to do ethically good things for less (or no) money. You have a full spectrum: - save the whales, feed the homeless, maintain Linux distributions: 0 money - clean floors in some company: $ - software development for the average company: $$$ - software development in "fintech", real estate, make weapons, or other somewhat questionable thing: $$$$$ - write algorithms in some FAANG to manipulate people using ads: $$$$$$

The best paying jobs are generally the most scalable jobs, as you can derive income from/add value to more revenue streams with minimal time cost on your part. That doesn't automatically correlate with parasitical roles, but there is an overlap.

ragebol 4y ago
Might have some truth to it. Human attention does not scale (ie. impact many other people) very well, and jobs where human attention is crucial, like in teaching & care, don't pay very well.
mind-blight 4y ago
Yeah, a lot of that motivation lends itself to rent seeking rather than adding value

pjc50 4y ago

"Feeling like your job is rewarding to you" is part of the compensation, and to a certain extent trades off against actual money.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

Intersection of supply curve of people able and willing to do the work and demand curve of people able and willing to pay.

gremlinsinc 4y ago

Because people who value specifics about a career or have a passion do it more out of that passion because they know it doesn't come with high pay. Take teaching for example. Also people working for non profit or other socially beneficial companies probably know the company budget goes to help more people not to pad CEO pockets... The lowest rung of essential jobs are the easiest ones to get so those most desperate for income basically are forced into legal slavery. And it is slavery. In Texas to rent a 1 bedroom apartment you need to work over 90 hours per week, assuming you earn twice minimum wage, maybe even more... Those who take the soulless jobs are taking jobs reserved for people just like them who value money above everything else and who will walk over anybody to get it. They're not as likely to have imposter syndrome because they lack humility and are narcissistic. So they're not as likely to be a pushover and accept standard pay... I wish we all could just earn the same amount but society has decided in a weird way who gets to thrive and we gets to barely survive.. It's not fair but it is what it is.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
> I wish we all could just earn the same amount In your society, what is the incentive for someone to clean up diarrhea in a gas station restroom?
- s5300 4y ago
  Said society has fairly simply automated self-cleaning restrooms. It’s really not that hard, or expensive.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Based on the fact that they are not in widespread use already, and I have never heard or seen one, it seems reasonable to assume that they do not exist, or are very expensive, or have some other limitation. I would be interested in looking at a link for these bathrooms that do not require human labor for upkeep. Either way, the point is different types of work exist with different difficulties/desirabilities, and people need incentives to do the less desirable and/or more difficult work. If you expect people to slog through medical textbooks and training for 12 years to earn the same as someone checking out groceries, you might be living on a different planet.
    - s5300 4y ago
      Hard to imagine you’re posting in good faith when using the search engine of your choice with text “self cleaning restroom” comes up with more than enough. That said, don’t think further debate with you will be anything close to fruitful. edit: In the year 2022, anything on the internet containing close to > I have never heard or seen one Very much leads me to believe the poster has an incurable case of brain worms
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      - lotsofpulp 4y ago

nicoburns 4y ago

Because taking advantage of market failures is much easier to profit from than producing actual value, and neoliberal political ideologies prevent us from correcting for that with regulation.

rglullis 4y ago
Please, feel free to share one single example me of a job you can "produce value" without being out-competed by a machine and/or computer.
- ragebol 4y ago
  I'd value my kids being taught well, me taken care of if I'm in a hospital or old etc. No machine can compete with the human care. Machine can help, but not replace a human.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    This is not a satisfactory answer. First, "human care" is not a direct way of "producing value". Second, if these are the only " interesting jobs" we should be taking, how would society be able to afford it?

goodpoint 4y ago

Because people trade salary for ethical values. Many are are willing to do ethically good things for less (or no) money. You have a full spectrum: - save the whales, feed the homeless, maintain Linux distributions: 0 money - clean floors in some company: $ - software development for the average company: $$$ - software development in "fintech", real estate, make weapons, or other somewhat questionable thing: $$$$$ - write algorithms in some FAANG to manipulate people using ads: $$$$$$