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My gut reaction to the smell of pork, bacon or any meat derived from pig is disgust. That doesn't mean this feeling is some kind of natural primal intuition, i
by jmprspret 4y ago
My gut reaction to the smell of pork, bacon or any meat derived from pig is disgust.
That doesn't mean this feeling is some kind of natural primal intuition, it just means I didn't grow up eating it.
- kentrado 4y agoActually, pork meat can be really dangerous!! That's also another reason why some religions ban it's consumption. Nowadays, we learned enough to overcome the dangers of pork but that's a result of modern society.
- verisimi 4y agoAnything to do with eating any meat can be dangerous. We don't know why religions banned certain meat. Anthropologists etc give us post facto rationalisations, and, to my mind, even the holy books might be retrospective excuses.
- TuringTest 4y agoThere are two main reasons why religious books of law ban certain behaviors: - to encode social and higienic rules as understood at the time - to signal heressy, prohibiting a common practice carried out by heretics (double points if it is a practice central to those heretical beliefs). For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiting deseases if mishandled.
- verisimi 4y agoSo certain. I guess you were there...
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoWe have lots of written history that validates his generalization and zero reason to believe that peoples who's records did not survive would have done those same things for different reasons.
- thrwy_918 4y ago> For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiting deseases if mishandled Is pork any more prone to spoilage, or spoilage-related health risks, than other meats? My understanding is that the health risks from pork relate mainly to the transmission of disease and parasites in undercooked pork, not spoilage.
- kevinmchugh 4y agoRe:spoilage Even if there's nothing specific to pork, the size of the animal may present that challenge. it's harder to time the slaughter and butchery if a larger animal. If you've been raising an animal for a year, you're going to want to eat all the meat. So you need to save it for celebrations, or barter, or eat meat that's been sitting around. Pigs are pretty big, assuming all domesticated animals have increased in size roughly equally. But the kosher prohibition isn't "don't eat meat slaughtered a week ago", which would be easy, it's about cloven hooves. The other hypothesis I've seen put out there is that viruses tend to have an easy time jumping from (living) pigs to humans. We think of the flu as relatively minor now but without clean water it would be a big deal.
- hombre_fatal 4y agofwiw, turning on your spellchecker would enhance your comments greatly.
- TuringTest 4y agoThanks for the advice. I try to have it enabled in all edit tools and browsers, but some will not allow it in two languages at the same time, and setting it in mobile to a language other than the main OS language is not trivial. And I haven't found how to enable spell check on Firefox mobile.
- kentrado 4y agoChicken is less dangerous than pork. I am not going to get involved in a religious argument, but I didn't mention it was the only reason, I said it was one of the reasons.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoThis simply isn’t true. From a health as well as safety standpoint, chicken correlates with worth health outcomes and definitely leads to more illnesses.
- slothtrop 4y agoRelative to pork? Source.
- steve_adams_86 4y agohttps://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/ss6710a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/ss/ss6710a1.htm
- kentrado 4y agoThe salmonella you get from undercooked chicken is less dangerous than the parasites in under cooked pork.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoThe difference is that almost all chicken is contaminated while very little pork is. If we compare contaminated meat, okay, maybe pork is more dangerous. If we compare what people actually encounter, pork appears much less dangerous.
- finikytou 4y agopork was dangerous when it was used as a garbage under houses. not when its raised with nowadays norms
- koheripbal 4y agoNo, even modern farm raised pork is dangerous to eat undercooked.
- smcl 4y agoWeirdly chicken is dangerous to eat undercooked or raw, but there aren't as many cultural taboos against it.
- koheripbal 4y agoBecause it's not as dangerous as eating raw pork. Relatively speaking, raw pork is much more dangerous.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoThe data doesn’t back this up though. More people get sick from chicken.
- kentrado 4y agoWe are not talking about quantity, we are talking about severity. Plus, you can't use modern data for this because modern stock raising methods mitigate a lot of the dangers from pork. The parasites from undercooked pork can be very dangerous.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoWhy wouldn’t we use modern data? We’re not living in the past. Are you talking about trichinosis? I can see that being more problematic than salmonella in historical contexts, but again, it’s highly treatable today and rarely fatal if it isn’t treated. Am I missing some other kind of infection? Edit: Now I see it, you were referring to the past in the parent comment. I’ve confused this thread for another - sorry about that!
- cassepipe 4y agoExcept that might not be the reason why it's forbidden : https://youtu.be/pI0ZUhBvIx4 https://youtu.be/pI0ZUhBvIx4
- gjs278 4y ago
- hnbad 4y agoI'm intrigued that you can recognize fried or minced pork by smell and distinguish it from beef or poultry by smell alone. I know a lot of people have an aversion to mutton as it can have a very gamey aroma to it, but I wasn't aware people perceive pork as similarly intense.
- failrate 4y agoMy wife has a powerful sense of smell, and she vociferously complains about the odor of pork, which smells no different to me than any other meat.
- steve_adams_86 4y agoThey smell very distinct to me as well. Just as they taste much different, they smell different in similar ways to me. I think turkey, duck, and chicken are distinct while cooking as well. I’d have a hard time distinguishing gamey meats, though. I couldn’t tell you if it’s venison or moose, for example.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
- jmprspret 4y agoAny pig meat has a very very distinct smell to me. I can also recognise cooked poultry vs beef by smell (more so when raw, but when cooked I'm sure I can figure it out as well). I thought most people could.