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I think that's venturing into tinfoil hat territory. More likely telemetry told them that some percentage > 50 always toggle the bookmark bar off and they decid

I think that's venturing into tinfoil hat territory. More likely telemetry told them that some percentage > 50 always toggle the bookmark bar off and they decided to make it the default. It's still there on new tabs after all. Companies like Google are long term greedy, they don't make unpopular UX decisions for scraps.

mattlondon 4y ago
More likely there was a large amount of telemetry saying that the bookmark bar was visible but never used by a large group of users. I can never imagine e.g. my mum turning the bookmark bar off, but I can certainly imagine her just totally ignoring it/not knowing what it is.
malepoon 4y ago
It's true though. You see something similar with the address bar: Chrome's is pretty horrible for accessing history or bookmarks, it instead tries to push you to do a search. Firefox has much richer information here.
ithrow 4y ago
Companies like Google are long term greedy, they don't make unpopular UX decisions for scraps. Like not letting you add tags? not tagging definitely makes you use google search more.
- amadeuspagel 4y ago
  I think both tags and folders would confuse people. I'd personally like them to remove folders and have only tags, but you can already imagine the HN comments ... google screwing with bookmarks to make you use search more ... not compatible with other browsers (import/export) ... monopolistic ... lock-in.
- westurner 4y ago
  "Do you like the browser bookmark manager?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24511454 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24511454 : > Things I'd add to browser bookmark managers someday: > - Support for (persisting) bookmarks tags. From the post re: the re-launch of del.icio.us: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23985623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23985623 >> "Allow reading and writing bookmark tags" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916 >> Notes re: how [browser bookmarks with URI|str* tags] could be standardized with JSON-LD: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916#c116 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916#c116 * *** WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment "Integration with W3C Web Annotations" https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/4 https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/4 *** W3C Web Share API & W3C Web Target API https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30449716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30449716

mattlondon 4y ago

More likely there was a large amount of telemetry saying that the bookmark bar was visible but never used by a large group of users. I can never imagine e.g. my mum turning the bookmark bar off, but I can certainly imagine her just totally ignoring it/not knowing what it is.

malepoon 4y ago

It's true though. You see something similar with the address bar: Chrome's is pretty horrible for accessing history or bookmarks, it instead tries to push you to do a search. Firefox has much richer information here.

ithrow 4y ago

Companies like Google are long term greedy, they don't make unpopular UX decisions for scraps. Like not letting you add tags? not tagging definitely makes you use google search more.

amadeuspagel 4y ago
I think both tags and folders would confuse people. I'd personally like them to remove folders and have only tags, but you can already imagine the HN comments ... google screwing with bookmarks to make you use search more ... not compatible with other browsers (import/export) ... monopolistic ... lock-in.
westurner 4y ago
"Do you like the browser bookmark manager?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24511454 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24511454 : > Things I'd add to browser bookmark managers someday: > - Support for (persisting) bookmarks tags. From the post re: the re-launch of del.icio.us: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23985623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23985623 >> "Allow reading and writing bookmark tags" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916 >> Notes re: how [browser bookmarks with URI|str* tags] could be standardized with JSON-LD: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916#c116 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225916#c116 * *** WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment "Integration with W3C Web Annotations" https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/4 https://github.com/WICG/scroll-to-text-fragment/issues/4 *** W3C Web Share API & W3C Web Target API https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30449716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30449716