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Except that they don't have to say anything. People don't get fired for being silent.

by ss108 4y ago

whythre 4y ago
Boo. That is just a soft form of enforced compliance. Edit: how the heck is the first reply flagged/dead? Doesn’t that exactly prove their point?
- ss108 4y ago
  If we're going to have any system of upvoting and community-flagging, then that's the outcome. It's like when people point to upvotes and downvotes on Reddit as examples of some sort of pernicious media bias; no, it's an online community where upvotes and downvotes are supposed to serve some sort of valid ranking, and everyone thinks the poster was wrong, or an asshole, or whatever. To complain about the effects of the downvotes is to basically say the downvoters shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion via that available mechanism.
codefreeordie 4y ago
That is precisely the problem. If you have the "correct" opinions, you can be as abusive as you'd like in how you express them, to the point of inciting physical violence and it's totally fine -- but if you have the "wrong" opinions, then no matter how carefully you walk on eggshells, the hatchet man is always right behind you.
- ss108 4y ago
  > If you have the "correct" opinions, you can be as abusive as you'd like in how you express them, to the point of inciting physical violence and it's totally fine How many examples do you have of that? Of physical violence? I'm someone with a number of more conservative opinions, and I think my main reason for not expressing them consistently is that I wouldn't want to be associated with contemporary "conservatives" (i.e. people who continue to vote Republican even though the party has been taken over by Trumpism). And I think this is a problem for a lot of us, esp my friends, who represent a fairly diverse mix of anti-Trump, non far right views. This is highly underrated by...everyone, IMO, including progressives and Democratic leaders. I'm limiting my thoughts only to the kinds of issues mentioned in the article--those are things about which, for the most part, reasonable people may disagree. That being said, I also think there are opinion so wrong that people should be booed out of the public square for denying them (e.g. denial of genocides, such as the Holocaust and the Uighur genocide). "then no matter how carefully you walk on eggshells, the hatchet man is always right behind you." I still don't get how people shutting up is that much of a problem. Not only do we still have election results that reflect the difference (i.e. peoples' true opinions are counted where it counts), but shutting up is probably better for the person themselves. Look at the time we waste bullshitting about this stuff on HackerNews...

Except that they don't have to say anything. People don't get fired for being silent.

by ss108 4y ago

Except that they don't have to say anything. People don't get fired for being silent.

Boo. That is just a soft form of enforced compliance. Edit: how the heck is the first reply flagged/dead? Doesn’t that exactly prove their point?

ss108 4y ago
If we're going to have any system of upvoting and community-flagging, then that's the outcome. It's like when people point to upvotes and downvotes on Reddit as examples of some sort of pernicious media bias; no, it's an online community where upvotes and downvotes are supposed to serve some sort of valid ranking, and everyone thinks the poster was wrong, or an asshole, or whatever. To complain about the effects of the downvotes is to basically say the downvoters shouldn't be allowed to express their opinion via that available mechanism.

codefreeordie 4y ago

That is precisely the problem. If you have the "correct" opinions, you can be as abusive as you'd like in how you express them, to the point of inciting physical violence and it's totally fine -- but if you have the "wrong" opinions, then no matter how carefully you walk on eggshells, the hatchet man is always right behind you.

ss108 4y ago
> If you have the "correct" opinions, you can be as abusive as you'd like in how you express them, to the point of inciting physical violence and it's totally fine How many examples do you have of that? Of physical violence? I'm someone with a number of more conservative opinions, and I think my main reason for not expressing them consistently is that I wouldn't want to be associated with contemporary "conservatives" (i.e. people who continue to vote Republican even though the party has been taken over by Trumpism). And I think this is a problem for a lot of us, esp my friends, who represent a fairly diverse mix of anti-Trump, non far right views. This is highly underrated by...everyone, IMO, including progressives and Democratic leaders. I'm limiting my thoughts only to the kinds of issues mentioned in the article--those are things about which, for the most part, reasonable people may disagree. That being said, I also think there are opinion so wrong that people should be booed out of the public square for denying them (e.g. denial of genocides, such as the Holocaust and the Uighur genocide). "then no matter how carefully you walk on eggshells, the hatchet man is always right behind you." I still don't get how people shutting up is that much of a problem. Not only do we still have election results that reflect the difference (i.e. peoples' true opinions are counted where it counts), but shutting up is probably better for the person themselves. Look at the time we waste bullshitting about this stuff on HackerNews...