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Yup. If you're at a shop that is openly waterfall, they do the requirements gathering and design/prototype work up front so the planning is based on something a

Yup. If you're at a shop that is openly waterfall, they do the requirements gathering and design/prototype work up front so the planning is based on something approaching reality. "Scrum" has become waterfall without the pre-work so it often descends into iteratively pulling estimates out of your asses.

xeromal 4y ago
And the worst part about it. Holding your ass to the flame over your shit estimate.
mrwh 4y ago
Definitely my experience of Scrum! In my part of a FAANG we do a sort of sloppy waterfall and honestly it's the most effective method I've found.
galangalalgol 4y ago
Waterfall was a problem too for those who focused on it to the exclusion of "individuals and interactions". Planning is good, being attached to a plan is not.
hef19898 4y ago
I feel you, and I'm not in software, nominally I'm a Product Owner from the business side. As a business we didn't understand the problem we are facing yet, we have no strategy how to tackle the problem in limited time and with the limited resources we have. And since two weeks Dev Ops is pushing me to come up with a headcount estimate to develop the software solutions we need. Because, of course, upper management needs resource estimates to come up with a reduced budget. It's a mess. And our BPO is fully on-board with this, because career opportunities. And the other POs have close to no experience. The DevOps head never had any IT experience before he became DevOps. We have a whole bunch scrum masters, agile coaches and the like. We have zero functional consultants, and we are looking at an ERP implementation project here. Oh, and the last developer we had on the project didn't see the difference between a technical and a business go-live or the need to conduct proper use-case based user acceptance tests. Or proper requirements definitions, because, you know, agile. It's a mess.
- datavirtue 4y ago
  GE, is that you?

xeromal 4y ago

And the worst part about it. Holding your ass to the flame over your shit estimate.

mrwh 4y ago

Definitely my experience of Scrum! In my part of a FAANG we do a sort of sloppy waterfall and honestly it's the most effective method I've found.

galangalalgol 4y ago

Waterfall was a problem too for those who focused on it to the exclusion of "individuals and interactions". Planning is good, being attached to a plan is not.

hef19898 4y ago

I feel you, and I'm not in software, nominally I'm a Product Owner from the business side. As a business we didn't understand the problem we are facing yet, we have no strategy how to tackle the problem in limited time and with the limited resources we have. And since two weeks Dev Ops is pushing me to come up with a headcount estimate to develop the software solutions we need. Because, of course, upper management needs resource estimates to come up with a reduced budget. It's a mess. And our BPO is fully on-board with this, because career opportunities. And the other POs have close to no experience. The DevOps head never had any IT experience before he became DevOps. We have a whole bunch scrum masters, agile coaches and the like. We have zero functional consultants, and we are looking at an ERP implementation project here. Oh, and the last developer we had on the project didn't see the difference between a technical and a business go-live or the need to conduct proper use-case based user acceptance tests. Or proper requirements definitions, because, you know, agile. It's a mess.

datavirtue 4y ago
GE, is that you?