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> All our estimates were proclaimed wrong I've seen something like this happen, and I must wonder. The only ones that can give an estimation are the people who

by the_af 4y ago

> All our estimates were proclaimed wrong I've seen something like this happen, and I must wonder. The only ones that can give an estimation are the people who will actually do the work. This estimation will likely be also wrong, but it's their job and their estimation. How can anyone else dispute it? Very tempted to reply "well, how about you do it in two weeks then?". I never do, because I want to keep my job. And nobody is ever punished for missing deadlines, anyway.

irrational 4y ago
They dispute it because they assume that developers are padding their estimates. You know, it will probably take 2 weeks, so double it and then double it again.
- ahtihn 4y ago
  If developers consistently miss deadlines and the business consistently pushes back on estimates, maybe the original estimates weren't padded? This should be fairly easy to communicate to the business people.
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    Yeah, should be.
woutr_be 4y ago
> I never do, because I want to keep my job. And nobody is ever punished for missing deadlines, anyway. Pretty much, the general consensus amongst developers was to just go along with whatever the scrum master is saying, just so that we could at least get out of the meeting and start our work. Missing deadlines was pretty common, getting blamed was pretty common, but you won't get fired. Perhaps you'll get moved to a different team, where the same story repeats itself.
rswail 4y ago
That's using the "what's the earliest date you can't prove you won't be finished by" method of estimation.