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I never said anything about alternative companies in my initial comment. I said Apple is not a privacy company, which is true. What do you mean by "heavy lifti
by colordrops 4y ago
I never said anything about alternative companies in my initial comment. I said Apple is not a privacy company, which is true.
What do you mean by "heavy lifting"?
- duxup 4y agoI feel like I don’t understand what you mean by “a privacy company” now. I’m guessing that is just some unreachable standard?
- colordrops 4y agoNo, I mean a company that actually has privacy as a core goal, rather than bolted on as marketing term that doesn't actually match reality. Signal is a privacy company in my opinion. If Signal, a non-profit, can figure out how to utilize esoteric intel opcodes to avoid storing any personal information on their services, the multi-trillion dollar Apple, who designs their own CPUs no less, should be able to figure out how not to store identifying info on their servers. If apple needs identifying info to make their services work, that's fine, but they don't have to falsely sell themselves as a privacy company. It's not some unreachable standard. They haven't even taken basic steps, like offering crypto payments for certain services, or utilizing on-device storage and encrypted data in the cloud, or open sourcing components that transfer user info.
- a_t48 4y agoSource on the intel opcode thing?
- colordrops 4y agohttps://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-reliance-on-sgx-f46378f336d3 https://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-relia...
- theshrike79 4y agoSignal is also a non-profit that requires you to give them your phone number.
- colordrops 4y agoThey are a privacy focused company that made a small compromise for usability, rather than a giant company that collects massive amounts of data and pays lips service to privacy. Apple made 10 billion on ads in the last year, meaning that they have extensive chronological profiles on probably everyone. Are you really saying that the use of a phone number for verification is an equivalent privacy violation to building an ad network? Signal collects no identifiable data and associates nothing with your phone number, probable through cryptography using Intel SGX features. It's absurd to compare the two. Why is everyone so interested in arbitrarily defending Apple here?
- theshrike79 4y agoIt's possible to serve ads without compromising privacy: https://searchads.apple.com/privacy/ https://searchads.apple.com/privacy/ Google is the one that has "extensive chronological profiles on probably everyone". Apple is the only major company that actively tries not to store anything about its customers. Even Apple Maps retrieves the route in multiple anonymised segments, so that Apple can't know where you went. Google on the other hand will actively track where you are and ask you to review places you went to. And will "helpfully" send you an email of all the places you visited.
- colordrops 4y agoOk, so how do you explain Apple's operation in China? If they cared about privacy they wouldn't offer their products in China due to the goverment's requirement that they have a spyware on every phone sold there. Even google refused to operate there under those conditions.
- Daedren 4y agoThat's because Apple's concept of privacy is, unfortunately, just not letting third-parties touch your information. They themselves are above all of this, and their users (for the most part) trust them with their info.