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>And this doesn't require expensive, licensed software, like Delphi 30 years ago. Delphi wasn't expensive for most of it's life, until they got greedy, and los

>And this doesn't require expensive, licensed software, like Delphi 30 years ago. Delphi wasn't expensive for most of it's life, until they got greedy, and lost the market. Lazarus is the modern open source replacement, it's mostly compatible with Delphi, and $1400 cheaper. ;-)

andsoitis 4y ago
I programmed in Delphi for years and have done some toy things with Lazarus, so I'm painfully aware of the quality and reliability difference. It is quite bizarre how us programmers, who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, are unwilling to pay $1,400 that will make us more productive.
- mikewarot 4y ago
  I make $0/year, so my choices are more restricted.
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    How about the Delphi community edition? https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter You can use it for free util your revenue reaches $5,000.
    - mikewarot 4y ago
      Yeah, I've had it installed, more than once in the past few years, but I just can't bring myself to use it.
- KronisLV 4y ago
  > It is quite bizarre how us programmers, who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, are unwilling to pay $1,400 that will make us more productive. Not all of us. Here in Latvia that amount would be around a half of one's salary, quite likely more than that. The further you move in the direction of poorer countries, the less the argument of "developers are expensive, everything else is cheap" actually holds. I don't doubt that in some places a single decent AWS EC2 instance would be a developer's salary.
- evilduck 4y ago
  Lots of devs are willing to spend on tools but end up in workplaces where they're not allowed to install them, tools don't offer compatible licensing for that scenario, or where the workplace won't purchase a license for them in tandem with their personal copy. Look at all the copies of IntelliJ (and derivatives) that are sold. I think people are willing when the price point is right and it can get into the workplace. I personally wouldn't spend $1400 unless I could make my life better from it somehow, and that would mean it making me significantly better at earning money.
- zcw100 4y ago
  How about, it is quite bizarre how people who employ programmers, who make billions of dollars per years, are unwilling to pay $1,400 that will make us more productive.

andsoitis 4y ago

I programmed in Delphi for years and have done some toy things with Lazarus, so I'm painfully aware of the quality and reliability difference. It is quite bizarre how us programmers, who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, are unwilling to pay $1,400 that will make us more productive.

mikewarot 4y ago
I make $0/year, so my choices are more restricted.
- andsoitis 4y ago
  How about the Delphi community edition? https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter You can use it for free util your revenue reaches $5,000.
  - mikewarot 4y ago
    Yeah, I've had it installed, more than once in the past few years, but I just can't bring myself to use it.
KronisLV 4y ago
> It is quite bizarre how us programmers, who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, are unwilling to pay $1,400 that will make us more productive. Not all of us. Here in Latvia that amount would be around a half of one's salary, quite likely more than that. The further you move in the direction of poorer countries, the less the argument of "developers are expensive, everything else is cheap" actually holds. I don't doubt that in some places a single decent AWS EC2 instance would be a developer's salary.
evilduck 4y ago
Lots of devs are willing to spend on tools but end up in workplaces where they're not allowed to install them, tools don't offer compatible licensing for that scenario, or where the workplace won't purchase a license for them in tandem with their personal copy. Look at all the copies of IntelliJ (and derivatives) that are sold. I think people are willing when the price point is right and it can get into the workplace. I personally wouldn't spend $1400 unless I could make my life better from it somehow, and that would mean it making me significantly better at earning money.
zcw100 4y ago
How about, it is quite bizarre how people who employ programmers, who make billions of dollars per years, are unwilling to pay $1,400 that will make us more productive.