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>I'm no fan of crypto, but the one place where I can see real utility for blockchain is as a backend settlement service for banks. So... what does the crypto p

>I'm no fan of crypto, but the one place where I can see real utility for blockchain is as a backend settlement service for banks. So... what does the crypto provide there that a simple authenticated communication protocol with a few redundant centralized servers doesn't?

csomar 4y ago
A blockchain will allow all these operators to transact safely. It's really just more secure because it's open (otherwise very quickly compromised). And blockchain tech has shown to be reliable when it comes to up-time and security (if you keep it simple).
- thematrixturtle 4y ago
  > blockchain tech has shown to be reliable when it comes to security Seriously? You would trust billions of dollars to this? https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?theme=hack https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?theme=hack To be clear, the cryptographic underpinnings of blockchain seem solid, it's just that both implementations and actual usage are by fallible humans. And because everything is irreversible, even if you manage to guard against hackers, you still can straight up incinerate money by (say) mistyping a receiving account number (wallet).
  - doodlesdev 4y ago
    See no mention of Bitcoin or Ether in that page, only centralized shitcoins such as Solana and a few buggy smart contracts. Also, if the system is to be operated by only the banks then transactions _can_ be reversed when needed due to security issues. I don't have a strong opinion whether this is a good option or not, just saying that it's not as absurd as it may seen.
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  But they are talking about permissioned blockchain which are essentially clearinghouses.
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
There are large benefits to not relying on a few redundant centralized servers in that case. We have "clearing houses" now, and in most cases they shouldn't be necessary. If you had something like a "permissioned blockchain", any financial institution could easily validate that everything was settled, in real time.
- yao420 4y ago
  Well someone has to write the code and run the nodes. I’m not on the side of clearing houses but I don’t see the improvement bid switching to a system run by a crypto foundation and a few blockchain validator companies.

csomar 4y ago

A blockchain will allow all these operators to transact safely. It's really just more secure because it's open (otherwise very quickly compromised). And blockchain tech has shown to be reliable when it comes to up-time and security (if you keep it simple).

thematrixturtle 4y ago
> blockchain tech has shown to be reliable when it comes to security Seriously? You would trust billions of dollars to this? https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?theme=hack https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?theme=hack To be clear, the cryptographic underpinnings of blockchain seem solid, it's just that both implementations and actual usage are by fallible humans. And because everything is irreversible, even if you manage to guard against hackers, you still can straight up incinerate money by (say) mistyping a receiving account number (wallet).
- doodlesdev 4y ago
  See no mention of Bitcoin or Ether in that page, only centralized shitcoins such as Solana and a few buggy smart contracts. Also, if the system is to be operated by only the banks then transactions _can_ be reversed when needed due to security issues. I don't have a strong opinion whether this is a good option or not, just saying that it's not as absurd as it may seen.
cuteboy19 4y ago
But they are talking about permissioned blockchain which are essentially clearinghouses.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

There are large benefits to not relying on a few redundant centralized servers in that case. We have "clearing houses" now, and in most cases they shouldn't be necessary. If you had something like a "permissioned blockchain", any financial institution could easily validate that everything was settled, in real time.

yao420 4y ago
Well someone has to write the code and run the nodes. I’m not on the side of clearing houses but I don’t see the improvement bid switching to a system run by a crypto foundation and a few blockchain validator companies.