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Austria nearly does. Mr. Bond. I see little difference between tweets and political parody songs.
by fein 4y ago
Austria nearly does. Mr. Bond.
I see little difference between tweets and political parody songs.
- spacechild1 4y agoMr. Bond was a notorious neo-nazi rapper, calling it "political parody songs" is pretty misleading. For context: he was convicted of "Wiederbetätigung" (= glorification of national-socialism) which is a distinct criminal offence in Germany and Austria
- fein 4y agoSo what? It's an abhorrent and dystopian law along with Saudi Arabia's speech laws. He has never done a violent thing to a person, has not defrauded anyone, and is in jail for 10 years due to writing political parodies.
- spacechild1 4y agoSorry, comparing Austria's and Germany's anti-nazi-laws to Saudi Arabia is beyond ridiculous. Also, I don't know why you keep calling his songs "political parodies", they are outright neo-nazi propaganda...
- fein 4y agoThey are parodies of songs and national socialism is a set of politics and philosophies - just because you don't like it doesn't make it not political. > they are outright neo-nazi propaganda... Yet again, so what? Are you insinuating that people are being assaulted by a song? > Sorry, comparing Austria's and Germany's anti-nazi-laws to Saudi Arabia is beyond ridiculous. No, it isn't, and if you're going to claim that it is, you need to explain why.
- ethanbond 4y agoHmm, sure. Perhaps Austria and Germany are a bit culturally traumatized by the horrors they inflicted upon the world under an ideology, and they wish (based on historical data) to prevent such an occurrence again? I don’t feel qualified to say whether this is effective, but it’s pretty obvious why this is characteristically different from “ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class.”
- fein 4y ago> prevent such an occurrence again? By imprisoning geriatrics and a guy who made some songs people didn't like the messaging of? > ruling class wants to crush all dissent against ruling class. I don't see the difference at all. These people are criticizing a sacred cow and the ruling class wants to crush that dissent.
- ethanbond 4y agoIf you're thinking so hard that you can't see the difference between someone resurrecting the ideology responsible in real, actual, recent history for 20-30 million deaths, versus someone who is criticizing a brutal dictator, then you are thinking too hard. This doesn't need to break down to some formally correct logical statement. Simply look at the facts of each case, the goals of each party involved, the systems each party uses to legitimize its actions, and the resulting effects of each party pursuing their goals. Edit: Did you delete your very nasty message accusing me and “my ilk” of being “beyond repair?” I guess that language really fits with the whole “defending neo-Nazis” schtick.
- chitowneats 4y agoIt does appear to me that America and the rest of the West are diverging on this issue. We do not criminally prosecute people for political speech. Even speech most of us find abhorrent. We draw the line at inciting violence.
- moistly 4y agoAnd look where that’s gotten you.
- chitowneats 4y ago
- moistly 4y agoDidn’t think I’d have to spell it out, but you’ve got Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and endless funding from the Koch brothers who were literally raised by a Nazi nanny, all abusing “free speech” to purposefully—and successfully!—destroy your nation. Free speech absolutism or a functional society: you can pick only one, not both.
- moistly 4y agoI don’t think chitowneats message deserved flagging, nor deletion.
- fein 4y agoWe don't put 93 year old women in prison for saying Auschwitz was a work camp, so wherever "we" are is at least not that bad.