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So if I leaked Saudi state secrets, should I be extradited to Saudi Arabia? Or is that only if I leaked the secrets of a state you consider a "good guy" state?

space_fountain 4y ago
Yep, and actually I'm ok with that. We don't have to be blind to the fact that Saudi Arabia locked a bunch of people in a hotel until they agreed to give money and control to a dictator. We don't have to forget that they killed a journalist in one of their embassies for the crime of being one of their critics. And it's not like Saudi Arabia, China, or certainly Russia would be very fast to extradite someone to the US anyway so this is just sort of the way it works.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  Ah, so it is just how things work. Strange argument on context of womens liberation in my opinion.
  - space_fountain 4y ago
    Well the person I was replying to seemed to be implying that we can't be mad at people who hurt the US unless we'd also be mad if they hurt say Russia or Saudi Arabia, but that's just extreme rule brain taking over. We can totally say Saudi is bad and therefore leaking their secrets is ok and, in fact, that's how it's always worked. Rules don't have to be blind to values and probably shouldn't be
mcphage 4y ago
> Or is that only if I leaked the secrets of a state you consider a "good guy" state? Of course. There’s a difference between good and evil, as much as you’re trying to pretend otherwise.
- rndgermandude 4y ago
  Have you considered that after seeing how the US handled Manning, handled Assange, handled Snowden, handled Ellsberg, handled Martin Luther King Jr, handled the Vietnam war, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Guantanamo Bay, and the countless other shit just in the last half century, I might have a hard time putting them squarely into the "good guys" bracket? That isn't to relativize in any way what others are doing - which is often even worse, no argument there - but I'm not grading on a scale where you get a passing grade at 40% just because China and Putin - and others - are even worse. Being the lesser evil doesn't make you "good".
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Also these countries are not monoliths. Some actions may be good and some evil. "good and evil" is for children's fairy tails and Star Wars. International politics is sociopathic game theory.
  - darkarmani 4y ago
    I'm not sure the criteria for being good is being perfect and "never making a mistake".
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space_fountain 4y ago

Yep, and actually I'm ok with that. We don't have to be blind to the fact that Saudi Arabia locked a bunch of people in a hotel until they agreed to give money and control to a dictator. We don't have to forget that they killed a journalist in one of their embassies for the crime of being one of their critics. And it's not like Saudi Arabia, China, or certainly Russia would be very fast to extradite someone to the US anyway so this is just sort of the way it works.

raxxorraxor 4y ago
Ah, so it is just how things work. Strange argument on context of womens liberation in my opinion.
- space_fountain 4y ago
  Well the person I was replying to seemed to be implying that we can't be mad at people who hurt the US unless we'd also be mad if they hurt say Russia or Saudi Arabia, but that's just extreme rule brain taking over. We can totally say Saudi is bad and therefore leaking their secrets is ok and, in fact, that's how it's always worked. Rules don't have to be blind to values and probably shouldn't be

mcphage 4y ago

> Or is that only if I leaked the secrets of a state you consider a "good guy" state? Of course. There’s a difference between good and evil, as much as you’re trying to pretend otherwise.

rndgermandude 4y ago
Have you considered that after seeing how the US handled Manning, handled Assange, handled Snowden, handled Ellsberg, handled Martin Luther King Jr, handled the Vietnam war, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, Guantanamo Bay, and the countless other shit just in the last half century, I might have a hard time putting them squarely into the "good guys" bracket? That isn't to relativize in any way what others are doing - which is often even worse, no argument there - but I'm not grading on a scale where you get a passing grade at 40% just because China and Putin - and others - are even worse. Being the lesser evil doesn't make you "good".
- colordrops 4y ago
  Also these countries are not monoliths. Some actions may be good and some evil. "good and evil" is for children's fairy tails and Star Wars. International politics is sociopathic game theory.
- darkarmani 4y ago
  I'm not sure the criteria for being good is being perfect and "never making a mistake".
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