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Child birth is a traumatic event which has negative impacts on your body for the rest of your life in a large minority of cases. That women choose not to is not

Child birth is a traumatic event which has negative impacts on your body for the rest of your life in a large minority of cases. That women choose not to is not a surprise. That a minority choose to is. The question is do we think that individual decisions should be allowed to kill our society? If you think it's acceptable to let women do so then do you think men ought to be able to refuse conscription without any consequence in a time of war?

em-bee 4y ago
that is a very strange conclusion. there are way more factors than just the pain of childbirth. if that pain were really an issue, this should be a well known discussion point. since this is not commonly discussed, i very much doubt that it has any influence in the majority of women who decide not to have children. what is the alternative to individual decisions? force women to have children? that's not the kind of world i want to live in. i think there are a few tv series that show where that leads to. no, the solution is to help families with children, so that the children are not a burden, but something to enjoy and look forward to. the USA especially is famously failing at that. european countries are doing better, but obviously way more needs to be done. as for conscription. we should aim to stop all wars. there should be no tolerance for any aggression today. any aggression should be stopped by a global, neutral police force without exception.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  > that is a very strange conclusion. there are way more factors than just the pain of childbirth. if that pain were really an issue, this should be a well known discussion point. since this is not commonly discussed, i very much doubt that it has any influence in the majority of women who decide not to have children. Pain is the least problem of child birth. If you want to realize what childbirth can do to a womans body look up what a prolapsed uterus is. That women aren't having that discussion with you probably means that women just don't want to have children with you. >what is the alternative to individual decisions? force women to have children? If a society has conscription for men yes. Alternatively you can have both men and women reject the social contract and only use society as a way to make money before it collapses. We don't live in a fairy tale, we don't all get to ride off into the sunset.
  - em-bee 4y ago
    there are all kinds of reasons why people don't want children. and these reasons are discussed in many places. pain of childbirth is not often a topic, which suggests that it is not a common reason, so it can hardly be the cause for the birthrate to drop
    - thrown_22 4y ago
      >pain of childbirth Are you being purposefully obtuse? The pain of giving birth is the least damaging long term effect of getting pregnant.
      - em-bee 4y ago
        sorry, i thought it would be clear what i meant: pain of childbirth and any of the negative after effects are not often a topic, which suggests that they are not a common reason for not wanting children, and so that can hardly be the cause for the birthrate to drop

em-bee 4y ago

that is a very strange conclusion. there are way more factors than just the pain of childbirth. if that pain were really an issue, this should be a well known discussion point. since this is not commonly discussed, i very much doubt that it has any influence in the majority of women who decide not to have children. what is the alternative to individual decisions? force women to have children? that's not the kind of world i want to live in. i think there are a few tv series that show where that leads to. no, the solution is to help families with children, so that the children are not a burden, but something to enjoy and look forward to. the USA especially is famously failing at that. european countries are doing better, but obviously way more needs to be done. as for conscription. we should aim to stop all wars. there should be no tolerance for any aggression today. any aggression should be stopped by a global, neutral police force without exception.

thrown_22 4y ago
> that is a very strange conclusion. there are way more factors than just the pain of childbirth. if that pain were really an issue, this should be a well known discussion point. since this is not commonly discussed, i very much doubt that it has any influence in the majority of women who decide not to have children. Pain is the least problem of child birth. If you want to realize what childbirth can do to a womans body look up what a prolapsed uterus is. That women aren't having that discussion with you probably means that women just don't want to have children with you. >what is the alternative to individual decisions? force women to have children? If a society has conscription for men yes. Alternatively you can have both men and women reject the social contract and only use society as a way to make money before it collapses. We don't live in a fairy tale, we don't all get to ride off into the sunset.
- em-bee 4y ago
  there are all kinds of reasons why people don't want children. and these reasons are discussed in many places. pain of childbirth is not often a topic, which suggests that it is not a common reason, so it can hardly be the cause for the birthrate to drop
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    >pain of childbirth Are you being purposefully obtuse? The pain of giving birth is the least damaging long term effect of getting pregnant.
    - em-bee 4y ago
      sorry, i thought it would be clear what i meant: pain of childbirth and any of the negative after effects are not often a topic, which suggests that they are not a common reason for not wanting children, and so that can hardly be the cause for the birthrate to drop