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How is no one mentioning that China is threatening Taiwan. If the US ends up in a war with China, suddenly most Apple products would have serious operations pro

by gleenn 4y ago

How is no one mentioning that China is threatening Taiwan. If the US ends up in a war with China, suddenly most Apple products would have serious operations problems if not being shut off completely. Cheap labor isn't a bad reason, but this is also a hedge against the heating politics between the West and both Russia and China.

spaceman_2020 4y ago
If the US and China end up going to war, Apple’s products would be the last of my worries.
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cyberpunk 4y ago
If the US goes to war with China, I can imagine Apples supply chain problems won’t be very high on our priority lists…
- gleenn 4y ago
  No, but it will be priority #1 for Apple, which is why they're opening other plants and not whoever you thin "us" is.
threeseed 4y ago
Also based on recent analysis many countries e.g. China, South Korea have increased exports to Russia including dual use technologies which are prohibited under recent sanctions. This combined with upcoming war games involving China and Russia shows clearly where their allegiances lie. So the risk of China being economically punished is not insignificant and Apple is very likely to be caught in the cross-fire if it does happen.
- kelnos 4y ago
  I have a hard time blaming Southe Korea here. Russia and China are their literal neighbors. If China decided to invade SK, their relationship with the US wouldn't save them. Russia wouldn't have quite as much military success there right now (given their preoccupation in Ukraine), but it makes sense to keep them happy.
- fleddr 4y ago
  I would be interested in that analysis, as I've read the exact opposite. China will be the sole supplier of many goods for Russians as they have nowhere else to go, but simultaneously China is careful not to overstep bounds as it does not want to upset the US, a trade partner about 10 times more important than Russia. It also stopped/delayed many promised infra investments in Russia. As for allegiances, China has none. Not with anybody. China has no moralistic or principal allies. It simply does what is best for China, and happily plays all sides all at once.
scarface74 4y ago
And how does that help when raw materials still need to come from China and many of the components?
LtWorf 4y ago
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  In July, the highest ranking EU offical visited Taiwan, and China didn't even batter an eyelid. But when the US visits, China threw its toys out of the cot and threatened the US and Taiwan. China is the one provoking people here.
  - nextstep 4y ago
    Because the EU respects the One China policy (like virtually every UN member) and because the EU does not have hundreds of military bases surrounding China.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      Thats such a cop-out, the US doesn't respect the one china policy any differently to the EU. And no one is threatening China in anyone shape or form. Your argument holds as much weight as Russia using NATO as an excuse.
      - LtWorf 4y ago
        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-china-taiwan-us-military-recession-monkeypox/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-china-taiwan-us-military-... Doesn't seem like USA is respecting anything.
        philliphaydon 4y ago
        The US stance is it acknowledges that China believes that Taiwan is part of China. That is the equiv of saying “I know you think the sky is green, I just don’t share the same opinion.” The US’s position is that it’s up to Taiwan to decide its own fate. And will not allow china to invade and force Taiwan to join China. This has been the same position for the last 70 years. Taiwan has been an ally of the US long before the CCP was created.
thankful69 4y ago
Vietnam is also a communist (which we invaded and got badly defeated btw), dictatorship loving (Cuba, Venezuela, ....) country, whatever you see in China, you also see in Vietnam, media isn't just as vicious with Vietnam. In the other hand, Vietnam have a bright future, they have developed significantly in the last decade, I wish them well.
- thankful69 4y ago
  Truth is not very HN friendly, seems like lol.

by gleenn 4y ago

spaceman_2020 4y ago

If the US and China end up going to war, Apple’s products would be the last of my worries.

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cyberpunk 4y ago

If the US goes to war with China, I can imagine Apples supply chain problems won’t be very high on our priority lists…

gleenn 4y ago
No, but it will be priority #1 for Apple, which is why they're opening other plants and not whoever you thin "us" is.

threeseed 4y ago

Also based on recent analysis many countries e.g. China, South Korea have increased exports to Russia including dual use technologies which are prohibited under recent sanctions. This combined with upcoming war games involving China and Russia shows clearly where their allegiances lie. So the risk of China being economically punished is not insignificant and Apple is very likely to be caught in the cross-fire if it does happen.

kelnos 4y ago
I have a hard time blaming Southe Korea here. Russia and China are their literal neighbors. If China decided to invade SK, their relationship with the US wouldn't save them. Russia wouldn't have quite as much military success there right now (given their preoccupation in Ukraine), but it makes sense to keep them happy.
fleddr 4y ago
I would be interested in that analysis, as I've read the exact opposite. China will be the sole supplier of many goods for Russians as they have nowhere else to go, but simultaneously China is careful not to overstep bounds as it does not want to upset the US, a trade partner about 10 times more important than Russia. It also stopped/delayed many promised infra investments in Russia. As for allegiances, China has none. Not with anybody. China has no moralistic or principal allies. It simply does what is best for China, and happily plays all sides all at once.

scarface74 4y ago

And how does that help when raw materials still need to come from China and many of the components?

LtWorf 4y ago

philliphaydon 4y ago
In July, the highest ranking EU offical visited Taiwan, and China didn't even batter an eyelid. But when the US visits, China threw its toys out of the cot and threatened the US and Taiwan. China is the one provoking people here.
- nextstep 4y ago
  Because the EU respects the One China policy (like virtually every UN member) and because the EU does not have hundreds of military bases surrounding China.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Thats such a cop-out, the US doesn't respect the one china policy any differently to the EU. And no one is threatening China in anyone shape or form. Your argument holds as much weight as Russia using NATO as an excuse.
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-china-taiwan-us-military-recession-monkeypox/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-china-taiwan-us-military-... Doesn't seem like USA is respecting anything.
      - philliphaydon 4y ago
        The US stance is it acknowledges that China believes that Taiwan is part of China. That is the equiv of saying “I know you think the sky is green, I just don’t share the same opinion.” The US’s position is that it’s up to Taiwan to decide its own fate. And will not allow china to invade and force Taiwan to join China. This has been the same position for the last 70 years. Taiwan has been an ally of the US long before the CCP was created.

thankful69 4y ago

Vietnam is also a communist (which we invaded and got badly defeated btw), dictatorship loving (Cuba, Venezuela, ....) country, whatever you see in China, you also see in Vietnam, media isn't just as vicious with Vietnam. In the other hand, Vietnam have a bright future, they have developed significantly in the last decade, I wish them well.

thankful69 4y ago
Truth is not very HN friendly, seems like lol.