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But that's always the story with Python isn't it. There is always this new way to do things that is so much better than all the previous ones. If only everybody

by donio 4y ago

But that's always the story with Python isn't it. There is always this new way to do things that is so much better than all the previous ones. If only everybody was doing it the right way. At least until the next one comes along. We've come a long way since PEP 20.

zdragnar 4y ago
Every time I see a language or a framework proclaim that it is designed so that there is one "right" or "obvious" way to do something, you can inevitably see that right way has changed multiple times over the course of its life, and it becomes obvious the larger an older any given project is. I left one company 3 years ago in the middle of a major transition between versions. The "right way" changed fairly drastically, and surprise surprise, they're still stuck in the middle of that transition. I think this is largely why I have found myself preferring static typing with roll-your-own framework style / library-based ecosystems over batteries-included systems. When your language or framework of choice suddenly insists that you use AA batteries instead of button cells, and it is up to you to modify every electronic device in your house to use them, it gets real old real fast (an exaggerated example, but not entirely unheard of).
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yomkippur 4y ago
what I wish they would do is what Go does with dependencies. Package it up, compile it and turn it into a binary. This way I know 100% it will work on AWS Lambda for instance. I've spent ridiculous amount of time building dependencies that has to match Python versions and OS. AWS layers on github help save time but I don't know if I can trust strangers for this process. Really should be, write stuff and test it locally on my machine, put it in a container and upload it. I know Lambda supports containers but sometimes I feel like its too much of an overhead, especially with shitty upload speeds but I really don't see any other choice unless I manually build AWS Lambda layers myself.

by donio 4y ago

zdragnar 4y ago

Every time I see a language or a framework proclaim that it is designed so that there is one "right" or "obvious" way to do something, you can inevitably see that right way has changed multiple times over the course of its life, and it becomes obvious the larger an older any given project is. I left one company 3 years ago in the middle of a major transition between versions. The "right way" changed fairly drastically, and surprise surprise, they're still stuck in the middle of that transition. I think this is largely why I have found myself preferring static typing with roll-your-own framework style / library-based ecosystems over batteries-included systems. When your language or framework of choice suddenly insists that you use AA batteries instead of button cells, and it is up to you to modify every electronic device in your house to use them, it gets real old real fast (an exaggerated example, but not entirely unheard of).

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yomkippur 4y ago

what I wish they would do is what Go does with dependencies. Package it up, compile it and turn it into a binary. This way I know 100% it will work on AWS Lambda for instance. I've spent ridiculous amount of time building dependencies that has to match Python versions and OS. AWS layers on github help save time but I don't know if I can trust strangers for this process. Really should be, write stuff and test it locally on my machine, put it in a container and upload it. I know Lambda supports containers but sometimes I feel like its too much of an overhead, especially with shitty upload speeds but I really don't see any other choice unless I manually build AWS Lambda layers myself.