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>US is a nation of germophobes[sic] The regulators sure are. The people want to buy raw milk, and are told we're not grown up enough to handle the consequence

>US is a nation of germophobes[sic] The regulators sure are. The people want to buy raw milk, and are told we're not grown up enough to handle the consequences.

isleyaardvark 4y ago
We apparently aren’t. “Although only about 1 percent of Americans drink it, raw milk accounted for 70 percent of milk-related food poisoning outbreaks between 2002 and 2011”. (https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2014/raw-milk-1-percent-of-consumers-70-percent-of-milk-outbreaks/ https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2014/raw-milk-1-percent-of...)
- jessaustin 4y ago
  That link would be more convincing if it dealt in quantities rather than percentages. Does 70% mean 7 out of 10 or 700,000 out of 1,000,000? And anyway, why wasn't it 100%? People who intentionally consume raw milk know that it's raw. Why shouldn't we be more concerned about the 30% who drank pasteurized and still got poisoned?
- goatcode 4y ago
  >sparing countless people from infections and deaths Lumping those two categories together is a disservice to truth, and possibly health. If everyone died to whom you're referring when you talk about how "apparently we're not," then perhaps we're not good at dealing with the consequences. However, if most recovered, I'd say we are. Furthermore, the consequences of what? I'd say factory farming as opposed to drinking milk in the way it was drunk for thousands of years prior. If you're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, it's best to make sure you know that the baby is indeed the problem.
andrewxdiamond 4y ago
The regulations only really have an effect on distribution of raw milk, not local sale. Yes, selling raw milk from a roadside stall is still illegal, but enforcement is non-existent at that scale. With the laws in place; if you live close enough to a farm to get raw milk, it’s probably safe for you to consume. The rest of use have to stick to milk that has been treated to survive the lengthy distribution process
- goatcode 4y ago
  So perhaps without these regulations, we wouldn't have tripped down the hill of factory farming so hard. I'd say that would have been a great alternative direction than the one we're now stuck in.
JoeAltmaier 4y ago
The consequences used to be, tuberculosis. You can tell young people - they have no notion where this all came from. Living in a world where almost everybody grows up, it's easy to forget that wasn't always the case. What's-his-face- the guy who wrote about reform and the 'gate in the road', had some good things to say about all this. {edit: Chesterson's Fence}

>US is a nation of germophobes[sic] The regulators sure are. The people want to buy raw milk, and are told we're not grown up enough to handle the consequences.

isleyaardvark 4y ago

We apparently aren’t. “Although only about 1 percent of Americans drink it, raw milk accounted for 70 percent of milk-related food poisoning outbreaks between 2002 and 2011”. (https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2014/raw-milk-1-percent-of-consumers-70-percent-of-milk-outbreaks/ https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2014/raw-milk-1-percent-of...)

jessaustin 4y ago
That link would be more convincing if it dealt in quantities rather than percentages. Does 70% mean 7 out of 10 or 700,000 out of 1,000,000? And anyway, why wasn't it 100%? People who intentionally consume raw milk know that it's raw. Why shouldn't we be more concerned about the 30% who drank pasteurized and still got poisoned?
goatcode 4y ago
>sparing countless people from infections and deaths Lumping those two categories together is a disservice to truth, and possibly health. If everyone died to whom you're referring when you talk about how "apparently we're not," then perhaps we're not good at dealing with the consequences. However, if most recovered, I'd say we are. Furthermore, the consequences of what? I'd say factory farming as opposed to drinking milk in the way it was drunk for thousands of years prior. If you're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, it's best to make sure you know that the baby is indeed the problem.

andrewxdiamond 4y ago

The regulations only really have an effect on distribution of raw milk, not local sale. Yes, selling raw milk from a roadside stall is still illegal, but enforcement is non-existent at that scale. With the laws in place; if you live close enough to a farm to get raw milk, it’s probably safe for you to consume. The rest of use have to stick to milk that has been treated to survive the lengthy distribution process

goatcode 4y ago
So perhaps without these regulations, we wouldn't have tripped down the hill of factory farming so hard. I'd say that would have been a great alternative direction than the one we're now stuck in.

JoeAltmaier 4y ago

The consequences used to be, tuberculosis. You can tell young people - they have no notion where this all came from. Living in a world where almost everybody grows up, it's easy to forget that wasn't always the case. What's-his-face- the guy who wrote about reform and the 'gate in the road', had some good things to say about all this. {edit: Chesterson's Fence}