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Bad news from the Q&A section of one of the printers: > With the enhancements giving the new drum a 50k page life it's no longer intended to be a user-serviced

Bad news from the Q&A section of one of the printers: > With the enhancements giving the new drum a 50k page life it's no longer intended to be a user-serviced part and won't be sold via retail channels. That said, it is still able to be replaced through an HP Service Center or HP Parts in the event it is needed to be replaced.

selectodude 4y ago
It's annoying news but my Brother laser, regarded for its serviceability, needs new drums every 12-15k pages at $90/ea. That's on top of $75 toner cartridges every 5-7k pages. This $400 printer with $30 ink refills that ends up being disposable at the end of its service live has a lower TCO than anything else I've seen.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  Yeah the brother magic went away, they 3x the price of first-party consumables a few years ago.
  - da768 4y ago
    And there are reports that the 2022 firmware updates now make it harder to use 3rd party toner.
- pnutjam 4y ago
  so $400+$240 every 12,000+ pages, vs $400+$300 (10 x $30) for about 2,200+ pages? It's not even close....
  - HNdev1995 4y ago
    What printer are the second set of numbers in reference to?
    - pnutjam 4y ago
      Laser vs inkjet, avg ink cartridge does 220 pages.
      - selectodude 4y ago
        The printer this article is about is a laser printer. The ink refill for $30 lasts 5000 pages and the drum lasts 50,000 pages.
        pnutjam 4y ago
        Yeah, look up thread.
Spooky23 4y ago
In a $300 printer? What do you want? In SMB environments, that's probably a 10 year device. Honestly, do you want a 2022 wifi solution running past 2032?
- Someone1234 4y ago
  > What do you want? No artificial restriction? They say the part is changeable, but then say they won't allow consumers purchase and do so because they consider 50K EOL. So what we want is for a $300 printer to not end up in the landfill because a $50 absolutely replaceable drum cannot be replaced without a service center's unnecessary involvement.
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    The service life in that form factor is probably 3-4x the typical device. So at the cost of repairability, you get a more durable device that’s probably like 30-50% cheaper. And… for the majority of customers they will likely never need toner or service.

selectodude 4y ago

It's annoying news but my Brother laser, regarded for its serviceability, needs new drums every 12-15k pages at $90/ea. That's on top of $75 toner cartridges every 5-7k pages. This $400 printer with $30 ink refills that ends up being disposable at the end of its service live has a lower TCO than anything else I've seen.

Spooky23 4y ago
Yeah the brother magic went away, they 3x the price of first-party consumables a few years ago.
- da768 4y ago
  And there are reports that the 2022 firmware updates now make it harder to use 3rd party toner.
pnutjam 4y ago
so $400+$240 every 12,000+ pages, vs $400+$300 (10 x $30) for about 2,200+ pages? It's not even close....
- HNdev1995 4y ago
  What printer are the second set of numbers in reference to?
  - pnutjam 4y ago
    Laser vs inkjet, avg ink cartridge does 220 pages.
    - selectodude 4y ago
      The printer this article is about is a laser printer. The ink refill for $30 lasts 5000 pages and the drum lasts 50,000 pages.
      - pnutjam 4y ago
        Yeah, look up thread.

Spooky23 4y ago

In a $300 printer? What do you want? In SMB environments, that's probably a 10 year device. Honestly, do you want a 2022 wifi solution running past 2032?

Someone1234 4y ago
> What do you want? No artificial restriction? They say the part is changeable, but then say they won't allow consumers purchase and do so because they consider 50K EOL. So what we want is for a $300 printer to not end up in the landfill because a $50 absolutely replaceable drum cannot be replaced without a service center's unnecessary involvement.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  The service life in that form factor is probably 3-4x the typical device. So at the cost of repairability, you get a more durable device that’s probably like 30-50% cheaper. And… for the majority of customers they will likely never need toner or service.