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> feudal societies developed Sooo... the last thousand some years, given that feudalism was widespread by the 11th century (and housing was absolutely an inves

> feudal societies developed Sooo... the last thousand some years, given that feudalism was widespread by the 11th century (and housing was absolutely an investment before that). Basically - half of recorded history (~400bc for Europe), and longer than the United States has existed. I don't understand what you think this comment means...

finiteseries 4y ago
- The last thousand some years (in Europe) - Widespread (in Europe) - Half of recorded (European) history An exclusively European phenomenon, the bulk of which came and went while it was a backwater region with limited effect on the rest of the world.
- tristor 4y ago
  > An exclusively European phenomenon, the bulk of which came and went while it was a backwater region with limited effect on the rest of the world. Weird that it had limited effect on the rest of the world, since basically history from now back to about the 15th century represents a European hegemony, now a US hegemony that extends European Western philosophy to the world. Seems that "limited effect" is pretty big. So much so that we're /literally discussing it now in 2022/.
  - finiteseries 4y ago
    The bulk of feudalism took place between the 5th and 12th centuries, ~400 years before 1491.
    - tristor 4y ago
      Sure, and the legacy of feudalism is a core part of what informs Western philosophy and political structure since then.
      - finiteseries 4y ago
        Yes. Its post 1492* relevance through its legacy now established, we revolve back to the point: - The last thousand some years (in Europe) - Widespread (in Europe) - Half of recorded (European) history You may have misread my original comment, the “limited effect” was to describe Europe’s influence at that particular point in time, not feudalism/Europe’s influence since then.
goodpoint 4y ago
Please refresh your memory around the topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#History > and housing was absolutely an investment before that ..and don't make absurd generalizations. Humanity is way older that the middle ages, and hundreds of different cultures existed around the world even during the middle ages. Very few had the concept of investment and the idea a house has a monetary value that grows significantly over time was simply unheard. > longer than the United States has existed. Imperial units are bad but measuring history in united-states is even worse. The US is not even 250 years old. > I don't understand what you think this comment means... I can see that.
- horsawlarway 4y ago
  Ok - well have a good one. You aren't helping yourself here, and I don't think we'll have a productive conversation.
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    Same here.

finiteseries 4y ago

- The last thousand some years (in Europe) - Widespread (in Europe) - Half of recorded (European) history An exclusively European phenomenon, the bulk of which came and went while it was a backwater region with limited effect on the rest of the world.

tristor 4y ago
> An exclusively European phenomenon, the bulk of which came and went while it was a backwater region with limited effect on the rest of the world. Weird that it had limited effect on the rest of the world, since basically history from now back to about the 15th century represents a European hegemony, now a US hegemony that extends European Western philosophy to the world. Seems that "limited effect" is pretty big. So much so that we're /literally discussing it now in 2022/.
- finiteseries 4y ago
  The bulk of feudalism took place between the 5th and 12th centuries, ~400 years before 1491.
  - tristor 4y ago
    Sure, and the legacy of feudalism is a core part of what informs Western philosophy and political structure since then.
    - finiteseries 4y ago
      Yes. Its post 1492* relevance through its legacy now established, we revolve back to the point: - The last thousand some years (in Europe) - Widespread (in Europe) - Half of recorded (European) history You may have misread my original comment, the “limited effect” was to describe Europe’s influence at that particular point in time, not feudalism/Europe’s influence since then.

goodpoint 4y ago

Please refresh your memory around the topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#History > and housing was absolutely an investment before that ..and don't make absurd generalizations. Humanity is way older that the middle ages, and hundreds of different cultures existed around the world even during the middle ages. Very few had the concept of investment and the idea a house has a monetary value that grows significantly over time was simply unheard. > longer than the United States has existed. Imperial units are bad but measuring history in united-states is even worse. The US is not even 250 years old. > I don't understand what you think this comment means... I can see that.

horsawlarway 4y ago
Ok - well have a good one. You aren't helping yourself here, and I don't think we'll have a productive conversation.
- goodpoint 4y ago
  Same here.