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Seems a bit daft to me. Who are they to say that AI generated art isn't art? Couldn't you say the brush has been replaced keystrokes? Someone still needs to

Seems a bit daft to me. Who are they to say that AI generated art isn't art? Couldn't you say the brush has been replaced keystrokes? Someone still needs to type in inputs and decide what is good/bad. I can understand banning bots that are automatically generating/uploading stuff. Also I wonder how they can prove if a human vs. AI made something if the quality is good enough.

SleekEagle 4y ago
I think for a creative website like that is intended to showcase artists it makes sense. Unfortunately I don't think there's much they can do about losing in the market to text-to-image models in the long run... the costs are essentially zero
rchaud 4y ago
Who's to say a monkey picking stocks by throwing darts at a wall can't be a portfolio manager? "AI Art" all looks the same to me. Just enough fuzziness in the style so you can't see the hard edges of what they copied, or rather indexed in memory as part of the training dataset, then created a small variation of that. That might be good enough for replacing Pexels, Unsplash or any of those stock photo sites that blogs pull from. But not much else.
- axg11 4y ago
  You're going to be proven wrong in weeks to months. Just a couple of years ago the consensus was that DALL-E/Imagen/Stable Diffusion quality image generation was impossible. Now it's very real and quality is improving every month.
  - SleekEagle 4y ago
    This is the first time I've seen Stable diffusion. Is it a new model or diffusion paradigm?
    - lucidrains 4y ago
      It is from the Heidelberg giants, Patrick Esser and Robin Rombach They continued building off their latent diffusion direction (encode with vqgan-vae and then diffusion in latent space) All roads lead to rome https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.10752 https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.10752
      - SleekEagle 4y ago
        Interesting, thanks for the link. It seems that CLIP encodings aren't as useful as frozen encoders from the textual domain, which is a little unintuitive imo. Can't keep up with all these advancements!
        lucidrains 4y ago
        Ikr! Hang on, this ride is about to get crazy :)
  - ZetaZero 4y ago
    Agreed. I liken this to computer chess, and later computer go. It was long believed both were impossible.
- SleekEagle 4y ago
  You don't think in a few years AI art will be indistinguishable for human generated? In 2012, self driving cars were a funny joke. A decade later, here they are. I think AI is somehow chronically both overestimated and underestimated
  - rchaud 4y ago
    Everything on Stock photo sites is human generated, free and effectively infinite. In other words, commodified to the point of having its market value be $0. I'm sure this can be monetized to generate convincing AI porn, but for non-porn uses, what will it replace? Deep fried memes? The only photos worth money are those of real people photographed at real moments in time. Nobody ever bought a Getty subscription for photorealistic clipart.
    - dougmwne 4y ago
      Stock images are not free. Hiring an artist to create a concept or illustration based on your instructions is also not free. Creating art assets for games is not free. Copyright is a pretty big thing and these models currently seem to sidestep it wonderfully. Also I can generate a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio picking his nose with a French fry, so that has some value for me.
  - donkarma 4y ago
    self driving cars are still a funny joke
    - autoexec 4y ago
      Yeah, but the joke is on us because we're the ones who are being forced to share the road with them. I sure didn't sign up to be a part of the beta testing.

SleekEagle 4y ago

I think for a creative website like that is intended to showcase artists it makes sense. Unfortunately I don't think there's much they can do about losing in the market to text-to-image models in the long run... the costs are essentially zero

rchaud 4y ago

Who's to say a monkey picking stocks by throwing darts at a wall can't be a portfolio manager? "AI Art" all looks the same to me. Just enough fuzziness in the style so you can't see the hard edges of what they copied, or rather indexed in memory as part of the training dataset, then created a small variation of that. That might be good enough for replacing Pexels, Unsplash or any of those stock photo sites that blogs pull from. But not much else.

axg11 4y ago
You're going to be proven wrong in weeks to months. Just a couple of years ago the consensus was that DALL-E/Imagen/Stable Diffusion quality image generation was impossible. Now it's very real and quality is improving every month.
- SleekEagle 4y ago
  This is the first time I've seen Stable diffusion. Is it a new model or diffusion paradigm?
  - lucidrains 4y ago
    It is from the Heidelberg giants, Patrick Esser and Robin Rombach They continued building off their latent diffusion direction (encode with vqgan-vae and then diffusion in latent space) All roads lead to rome https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.10752 https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.10752
    - SleekEagle 4y ago
      Interesting, thanks for the link. It seems that CLIP encodings aren't as useful as frozen encoders from the textual domain, which is a little unintuitive imo. Can't keep up with all these advancements!
      - lucidrains 4y ago
        Ikr! Hang on, this ride is about to get crazy :)
- ZetaZero 4y ago
  Agreed. I liken this to computer chess, and later computer go. It was long believed both were impossible.
SleekEagle 4y ago
You don't think in a few years AI art will be indistinguishable for human generated? In 2012, self driving cars were a funny joke. A decade later, here they are. I think AI is somehow chronically both overestimated and underestimated
- rchaud 4y ago
  Everything on Stock photo sites is human generated, free and effectively infinite. In other words, commodified to the point of having its market value be $0. I'm sure this can be monetized to generate convincing AI porn, but for non-porn uses, what will it replace? Deep fried memes? The only photos worth money are those of real people photographed at real moments in time. Nobody ever bought a Getty subscription for photorealistic clipart.
  - dougmwne 4y ago
    Stock images are not free. Hiring an artist to create a concept or illustration based on your instructions is also not free. Creating art assets for games is not free. Copyright is a pretty big thing and these models currently seem to sidestep it wonderfully. Also I can generate a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio picking his nose with a French fry, so that has some value for me.
- donkarma 4y ago
  self driving cars are still a funny joke
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Yeah, but the joke is on us because we're the ones who are being forced to share the road with them. I sure didn't sign up to be a part of the beta testing.