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Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own re

Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I switched to desktop render (still on mobile browser) -- this time the logo is vertically aligned but the padding / margin on top and bottom are lower than on the left. This is of course nitpicking in the larger scheme of things--I haven't tried the OS, but the screenshots look great and definitely look like MacOS. However, with the title setting up expectations and the first impression being of a misaligned logo made me (unfairly) dismiss the project since I felt you were trying to claim a level of finesse that might not be there. I don't use Linux, so I'll never really use this product, but it's interesting to me--why do people / projects/teams (in general--not just this product) try to emulate the "finesse" of Apple products? To me, it sets up unrealistic expectations from that product, and I might dismiss an otherwise excellent solution if it doesn't live up to that comparison.

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
I'm not sure that caring about the design of a desktop environment and website are equivalent - if nothing else, they're different skills to implement. And in any event, it's an early-stage project; that their goals aren't realized yet is hardly surprising.
lucideer 4y ago
I noticed the logo misalignment but the rest of the website was pretty good so I figured it was a one-off issue (rather than representative of a trend). Was there other issues that bothered you?
eddieroger 4y ago
> why do people / projects/teams (in general--not just this product) try to emulate the "finesse" of Apple products Because people like them. Why do all sedans look kind of alike? Why are there dozens knock-off chairs that emulate the Aeron? Some people, myself included, really like the look and feel of macOS, but may want to run *nix instead. Enough of those people got together and made an OS.
- mwint 4y ago
  Sedans mostly look alike because of safety regulations. There’s only one basic shape that can meet all the regs and is plausible to manufacture.
- rdsnsca 4y ago
  Moacos is a posix compatible Unix.
CaioAlonso 4y ago
https://github.com/ravynsoft/website/pull/28 https://github.com/ravynsoft/website/pull/28
johnisgood 4y ago
> I don't use Linux, so I'll never really use this product Isn't it FreeBSD?
- LASR 4y ago
  Yeah it’s a common misconception. This is closer to macOS than it is to Linux.
brimstedt 4y ago
I didn't notice the misaligned logo until you pointed it out (but I'm a guy who prefers 'ugly things that work ' rather than 'unusable junk that looks good') What I did notice though was th first screenshot with the red, yellow, green buttons of osx window titles. I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this. Sure, nice round "buttons", but very unclear what their purpose is. I think this is something of a red line through Mac/iOS: The preference of unclear user interface that "looks good" instead of a clear interface that communicates with the user. I've used Mac for years, and still don't know what the yellow button does. I like the idea of this new OS, but please make better design choices that Apple :-)
- nusaru 4y ago
  > I've used Mac for years, and still don't know what the yellow button does. Minimize. That’s what the yellow button does. It’s as simple as clicking it once.
  - sleepybrett 4y ago
    or, mousing over it and seeing the little minimize line.
  - eknkc 4y ago
    Kind of unrelated to the actual discussion but I just realised that I never minimize things on mac. I know what the yellow bubble does, never once clicked it, neither used the shortcut whatever it is. Is this common? I used it on windows but for years now, I have a ton of windows on top of each other or I just cmd+w my way out of one. Maybe this is the idiomatic way and I’m not an outlier though. Is it?
    - thewebcount 4y ago
      I've been using Macs since 1984 and I almost never minimize a window. I find that I generally don't need to since I can maximize a window properly. In macOS the Maximize function (which you need to use option to get from the green button) makes the window the largest size that makes sense for the content and fits on the screen. On Windows, the maximize button in MDI windows makes the window essentially full-screen which I personally never want. I can have multiple maximized windows on macOS and access them all by either just clicking between them or using Cmd-`. I have no need to minimize unless a window's maximized size is essentially full-screen.
HenriTEL 4y ago
To be fair, I remember the apple website rendering pretty badly on mobile device for a long time, at some point it actually made me feel like this company had really low UI standards. (I think it was the versions between 2007 and 2017 and didn't used their products at that time)
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warning26 4y ago
> but the screenshots look great and definitely look like MacOS Some do, but many look quite janky -- for example, check out the grey menu bar with Windows-98-style underlined shortcut keys in this one: https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3.0pre_about.png https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3.0pre_about.png Perhaps I'm missing something, but this doesn't seem particularly visually different than the "aqua skins" that have been available on *nix for years.
systemvoltage 4y ago
From a product marketing standpoint, they could have picked a better name. My brain keeps going "Rav-yin" instead of "Raven". I know why these kinds of pseudo words are chosen for products, they're unique and easy to search. But there are better ways to do this IMO. FreeBSD is a prime example of a great product name.
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yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

I'm not sure that caring about the design of a desktop environment and website are equivalent - if nothing else, they're different skills to implement. And in any event, it's an early-stage project; that their goals aren't realized yet is hardly surprising.

lucideer 4y ago

I noticed the logo misalignment but the rest of the website was pretty good so I figured it was a one-off issue (rather than representative of a trend). Was there other issues that bothered you?

eddieroger 4y ago

> why do people / projects/teams (in general--not just this product) try to emulate the "finesse" of Apple products Because people like them. Why do all sedans look kind of alike? Why are there dozens knock-off chairs that emulate the Aeron? Some people, myself included, really like the look and feel of macOS, but may want to run *nix instead. Enough of those people got together and made an OS.

mwint 4y ago
Sedans mostly look alike because of safety regulations. There’s only one basic shape that can meet all the regs and is plausible to manufacture.
rdsnsca 4y ago
Moacos is a posix compatible Unix.

CaioAlonso 4y ago

https://github.com/ravynsoft/website/pull/28 https://github.com/ravynsoft/website/pull/28

johnisgood 4y ago

> I don't use Linux, so I'll never really use this product Isn't it FreeBSD?

LASR 4y ago
Yeah it’s a common misconception. This is closer to macOS than it is to Linux.

brimstedt 4y ago

I didn't notice the misaligned logo until you pointed it out (but I'm a guy who prefers 'ugly things that work ' rather than 'unusable junk that looks good') What I did notice though was th first screenshot with the red, yellow, green buttons of osx window titles. I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this. Sure, nice round "buttons", but very unclear what their purpose is. I think this is something of a red line through Mac/iOS: The preference of unclear user interface that "looks good" instead of a clear interface that communicates with the user. I've used Mac for years, and still don't know what the yellow button does. I like the idea of this new OS, but please make better design choices that Apple :-)

nusaru 4y ago
> I've used Mac for years, and still don't know what the yellow button does. Minimize. That’s what the yellow button does. It’s as simple as clicking it once.
- sleepybrett 4y ago
  or, mousing over it and seeing the little minimize line.
- eknkc 4y ago
  Kind of unrelated to the actual discussion but I just realised that I never minimize things on mac. I know what the yellow bubble does, never once clicked it, neither used the shortcut whatever it is. Is this common? I used it on windows but for years now, I have a ton of windows on top of each other or I just cmd+w my way out of one. Maybe this is the idiomatic way and I’m not an outlier though. Is it?
  - thewebcount 4y ago
    I've been using Macs since 1984 and I almost never minimize a window. I find that I generally don't need to since I can maximize a window properly. In macOS the Maximize function (which you need to use option to get from the green button) makes the window the largest size that makes sense for the content and fits on the screen. On Windows, the maximize button in MDI windows makes the window essentially full-screen which I personally never want. I can have multiple maximized windows on macOS and access them all by either just clicking between them or using Cmd-`. I have no need to minimize unless a window's maximized size is essentially full-screen.

HenriTEL 4y ago

To be fair, I remember the apple website rendering pretty badly on mobile device for a long time, at some point it actually made me feel like this company had really low UI standards. (I think it was the versions between 2007 and 2017 and didn't used their products at that time)

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warning26 4y ago

> but the screenshots look great and definitely look like MacOS Some do, but many look quite janky -- for example, check out the grey menu bar with Windows-98-style underlined shortcut keys in this one: https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3.0pre_about.png https://ravynos.com/images/airyx_0.3.0pre_about.png Perhaps I'm missing something, but this doesn't seem particularly visually different than the "aqua skins" that have been available on *nix for years.

systemvoltage 4y ago

From a product marketing standpoint, they could have picked a better name. My brain keeps going "Rav-yin" instead of "Raven". I know why these kinds of pseudo words are chosen for products, they're unique and easy to search. But there are better ways to do this IMO. FreeBSD is a prime example of a great product name.

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