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I was curious on the data on this. I mean difficulty voting certainly is a major narrative and passes the smell test but the survey in this article suggests 3/

I was curious on the data on this. I mean difficulty voting certainly is a major narrative and passes the smell test but the survey in this article suggests 3/4’s of non voters say it is easy to vote: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/561886-whos-not-voting-in-america/amp/ https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/561886-whos-not-voting-... This is however contrasted by the confusing bit that not being registered was the biggest reason people didn’t vote, above apathy and political disengagement.

ghaff 4y ago
> not being registered was the biggest reason people didn’t vote, above apathy and political disengagement. And it seems likely they didn't make the (often minimal) effort to get registered because of apathy or political disengagement.
- Loughla 4y ago
  Let's have this thought experiment played out. What did it look like for you to get registered to vote?
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Well, I get a form every year from my town to confirm my particulars. I sign it and send it back. I guess if I weren't registered I'd go down to the town hall and do so. If I couldn't for some reason, I assume I could call the town clerk, and they'd send me a form in the mail. When I go into Cambridge around election time, I frequently see various tables set up to register people. Obviously registering (and voting) is harder for some people than others but registering to vote is not, in general, an arduous process.
    - Loughla 4y ago
      >I guess if weren't registered I'd go down to the town hall and do so. What if your job wouldn't let you off during the town hall's regular hours? What if you don't have transportation? What if you don't have the necessary forms of identification? > I assume I could call the town clerk, and they'd send me a form in the mail What if you're not already registered and cannot just fill out a form to send in? What if you have to provide proof of residency in the form of a bill in your name and current address that matches your ID? What if you don't have an ID because you can't get to the DMV because you can't get time off work to go get it, or you don't have transportation, or you don't have internet access to set an online appointment with the DMV, or your credit is bad enough that the bills are only in your roommate's name to avoid headache with those companies? I guess my point is, it's very flippant to just say, "well it's easy for me, so it's probably pretty easy for everyone else, so it must be apathy as the only solution."
      - ghaff 4y ago
        As I wrote, it's doubtless harder for some than others. But, yes, I do think in general most people who don't get registered would probably (for perhaps understandable reasons) decide that it's too much of a burden to vote as well. If it's literally impossible for someone to get registered, it's probably equally impossible to vote anyway.
      - mikkergp 4y ago
        > I guess my point is, it's very flippant to just say, "well it's easy for me, so it's probably pretty easy for everyone else, so it must be apathy as the only solution." Right but the data suggests that apathy is the primary reason. I think we should make it easier to vote, but it’s not empathy if the people you’re trying to empathize with don’t actually feel that way.

ghaff 4y ago

> not being registered was the biggest reason people didn’t vote, above apathy and political disengagement. And it seems likely they didn't make the (often minimal) effort to get registered because of apathy or political disengagement.

Loughla 4y ago
Let's have this thought experiment played out. What did it look like for you to get registered to vote?
- ghaff 4y ago
  Well, I get a form every year from my town to confirm my particulars. I sign it and send it back. I guess if I weren't registered I'd go down to the town hall and do so. If I couldn't for some reason, I assume I could call the town clerk, and they'd send me a form in the mail. When I go into Cambridge around election time, I frequently see various tables set up to register people. Obviously registering (and voting) is harder for some people than others but registering to vote is not, in general, an arduous process.
  - Loughla 4y ago
    >I guess if weren't registered I'd go down to the town hall and do so. What if your job wouldn't let you off during the town hall's regular hours? What if you don't have transportation? What if you don't have the necessary forms of identification? > I assume I could call the town clerk, and they'd send me a form in the mail What if you're not already registered and cannot just fill out a form to send in? What if you have to provide proof of residency in the form of a bill in your name and current address that matches your ID? What if you don't have an ID because you can't get to the DMV because you can't get time off work to go get it, or you don't have transportation, or you don't have internet access to set an online appointment with the DMV, or your credit is bad enough that the bills are only in your roommate's name to avoid headache with those companies? I guess my point is, it's very flippant to just say, "well it's easy for me, so it's probably pretty easy for everyone else, so it must be apathy as the only solution."
    - ghaff 4y ago
      As I wrote, it's doubtless harder for some than others. But, yes, I do think in general most people who don't get registered would probably (for perhaps understandable reasons) decide that it's too much of a burden to vote as well. If it's literally impossible for someone to get registered, it's probably equally impossible to vote anyway.
    - mikkergp 4y ago
      > I guess my point is, it's very flippant to just say, "well it's easy for me, so it's probably pretty easy for everyone else, so it must be apathy as the only solution." Right but the data suggests that apathy is the primary reason. I think we should make it easier to vote, but it’s not empathy if the people you’re trying to empathize with don’t actually feel that way.