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This is a very interesting and unusual take, pretty much the exact opposite of what I usually see.

csomar 4y ago
Most countries try to feed their population what makes them feel proud, calm and ready (got a war to fight? Time for nationalism and that BS). Of course, if you are living in a country where the war is happening, you tend to see things differently. Many people in the West haven't seen a war in a long time and would happily believe what the general media is telling them; or the other side of the media (the alternative media).
mrtksn 4y ago
It's just the Russian narrative. A popular take in the countries where the Russian influence is strong. AKA the sneaky West cornered Russia and was about to strike Moscow and that's why Putin had to start a special operation in Ukraine and push NATO away from its borders.
- ryandrake 4y ago
  The thing I've never understood about that propaganda is: What does Russia have that the USA wants? More land? USA has plenty of land, much of it totally unused and unpopulated. Oil? USA now exports it. More rivers? Ports? Developed cities? No, no, and no. The USA has nothing to gain by invading and occupying Russia. Sorry to my Russian friends, but the country is kind of small-potatoes economically, as well. What does the propaganda say that the USA wants?
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    There are obviously misaligned goals. No the US does not want to invade Russia. No Russia does not want to invade the US. But that doesn't stop them from fighting over conflicting interest. It is all about who has the bigger knife at the other's throat and the ability to limit the others actions. What did the US and Russia want in Syria? The US wanted ot overthrow Assad and Russia wanted to keep Assad. The most credible Russian claim is that they didn't want the US and NATO in Ukraine. Why does that matter even if the US doesn't want to invade Russia? Because it gives the us more leverage in Russia less. It's easier to shut down airspace, ports, Pipelines, and obviously makes Russia less threatening to Europe then they would be with a Russian aligned Ukraine. Similarly, there is no credible scenario where China or Russia invades the US. However, the US would feel very strongly about either of them having a strong military presence in Cuba and the Caribbean.
  - philwelch 4y ago
    The US wants Russia (and the entire rest of the world) to adopt its way of life and liberal-democratic/neoliberal/globalist values.
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Most countries try to feed their population what makes them feel proud, calm and ready (got a war to fight? Time for nationalism and that BS). Of course, if you are living in a country where the war is happening, you tend to see things differently. Many people in the West haven't seen a war in a long time and would happily believe what the general media is telling them; or the other side of the media (the alternative media).

mrtksn 4y ago

It's just the Russian narrative. A popular take in the countries where the Russian influence is strong. AKA the sneaky West cornered Russia and was about to strike Moscow and that's why Putin had to start a special operation in Ukraine and push NATO away from its borders.

ryandrake 4y ago
The thing I've never understood about that propaganda is: What does Russia have that the USA wants? More land? USA has plenty of land, much of it totally unused and unpopulated. Oil? USA now exports it. More rivers? Ports? Developed cities? No, no, and no. The USA has nothing to gain by invading and occupying Russia. Sorry to my Russian friends, but the country is kind of small-potatoes economically, as well. What does the propaganda say that the USA wants?
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  There are obviously misaligned goals. No the US does not want to invade Russia. No Russia does not want to invade the US. But that doesn't stop them from fighting over conflicting interest. It is all about who has the bigger knife at the other's throat and the ability to limit the others actions. What did the US and Russia want in Syria? The US wanted ot overthrow Assad and Russia wanted to keep Assad. The most credible Russian claim is that they didn't want the US and NATO in Ukraine. Why does that matter even if the US doesn't want to invade Russia? Because it gives the us more leverage in Russia less. It's easier to shut down airspace, ports, Pipelines, and obviously makes Russia less threatening to Europe then they would be with a Russian aligned Ukraine. Similarly, there is no credible scenario where China or Russia invades the US. However, the US would feel very strongly about either of them having a strong military presence in Cuba and the Caribbean.
- philwelch 4y ago
  The US wants Russia (and the entire rest of the world) to adopt its way of life and liberal-democratic/neoliberal/globalist values.
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