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> They're violating Taiwan air space daily They are not, actually, and I don't think they ever did. > it could have tried to take other countries, like Poland

> They're violating Taiwan air space daily They are not, actually, and I don't think they ever did. > it could have tried to take other countries, like Poland, Moldova, some scandinavian countries Of course not. Russia is not going to attack or invade NATO countries, nor is it clear why they would invade a non-NATO Scandinavian country... And in practical terms they couldn't really pulled off invading a country like Poland because they are not that strong beyond their nuclear arsenal, as Ukraine has made rather clear. There is a lot of scaremongering about Russia. Korea was the closest to a world war and was more significant than Ukraine as the US and China actually came face to face but the US stopped it because they knew they could not invade China (which was the proposed next step) on top of not faring that well against Chinese troops in Korea.

drKarl 4y ago
> They are not, actually, and I don't think they ever did. Jan 2021 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3116557/pla-warplanes-made-record-380-incursions-taiwans-airspace-2020 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3116557/pla... "Chinese air force entered island’s ADIZ on 91 days from January to November, according to Taipei-based think tank" April 2021 https://www.sps-aviation.com/story/?id=2907&h=Frequent-Violation-of-Taiwanese-Airspace-by-China https://www.sps-aviation.com/story/?id=2907&h=Frequent-Viola... "Violation of Taiwanese airspace by military aircraft of the PRC appears to have become a regular feature as it has been occurring frequently. Instances of incursion by aircraft of the China into the airspace of Taiwan has increased significantly, particularly so over the last two years." Oct 2021 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/why-did-145-chinese-air-force-planes-violate-taiwan-airspace-in-4-days-320487 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/why-did-145-chinese-... Nov 2021 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4338555 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4338555 Jan 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/24/china-sends-largest-incursion-of-warplanes-into-taiwan-defence-zone-since-october https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/24/china-sends-la... Feb 2022 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-reports-nine-chinese-aircraft-its-air-defence-zone-2022-02-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-reports-ni... May 2022 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 Jun 2022 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/21/taiwan-sends-jets-to-warn-off-chinese-planes-in-air-defence-zone https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/21/taiwan-sends-jets-t... August 2022 https://www.ft.com/content/50f56242-2bd7-44c6-8878-a755ad1e3043 https://www.ft.com/content/50f56242-2bd7-44c6-8878-a755ad1e3... > they are not that strong beyond their nuclear arsenal, as Ukraine has made rather clear. Yes, they're not as strong as they're fighting like it's WWII, but Ukraine received billions of dollars worth of hi-tech weapons and that has tipped the scales in favor of Ukraine. My point is that, if USA and Europe did not provide all that assistance and weapons to Ukraine, Russia would probably have fared way better against Ukraine even with their dated weapons and tanks and their incompetent conscripted soldiers.
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  Reports of air space violations have to be taken with the large grain of salt which is Taiwan's ADIZ extending significantly into mainland China (which is what most reports tend to be about).
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  The ADIZ is not Taiwanese airspace. It's an arbitrary, unilaterally defined area that extends well into international airspace and even into continental China. As far as I know mainland Chinese planes have always stayed in their air space or international air space. This is reported in a way that is either misleading or plainly incorrect for 'propaganda' purposes. For instance, the second article you quote is plainly a pile of cr*p. There is a map of Taiwan's ADIZ on Wikipedia from a slide by the Taiwanese military about a Chinese 'violation [1]. You can see that it extends well beyond national air space and that, in that slide, Chinese planes never came close to Taiwanese air space. This is fairly typical of what makes headlines as "Chinese incursion into Taiwan's air defence zone"... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B109%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%8819%E6%97%A5%E5%85%B1%E8%BB%8D%E4%BE%B5%E7%8A%AF%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B%E9%98%B2%E7%A9%BA%E8%AD%98%E5%88%A5%E5%8D%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%8F%8A%E8%B6%8A%E9%81%8E%E5%8F%B0%E6%B5%B7%E4%B8%AD%E7%B7%9A.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B109%E5%...

drKarl 4y ago

> They are not, actually, and I don't think they ever did. Jan 2021 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3116557/pla-warplanes-made-record-380-incursions-taiwans-airspace-2020 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3116557/pla... "Chinese air force entered island’s ADIZ on 91 days from January to November, according to Taipei-based think tank" April 2021 https://www.sps-aviation.com/story/?id=2907&h=Frequent-Violation-of-Taiwanese-Airspace-by-China https://www.sps-aviation.com/story/?id=2907&h=Frequent-Viola... "Violation of Taiwanese airspace by military aircraft of the PRC appears to have become a regular feature as it has been occurring frequently. Instances of incursion by aircraft of the China into the airspace of Taiwan has increased significantly, particularly so over the last two years." Oct 2021 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/why-did-145-chinese-air-force-planes-violate-taiwan-airspace-in-4-days-320487 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/why-did-145-chinese-... Nov 2021 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4338555 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4338555 Jan 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/24/china-sends-largest-incursion-of-warplanes-into-taiwan-defence-zone-since-october https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/24/china-sends-la... Feb 2022 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-reports-nine-chinese-aircraft-its-air-defence-zone-2022-02-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-reports-ni... May 2022 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217 Jun 2022 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/21/taiwan-sends-jets-to-warn-off-chinese-planes-in-air-defence-zone https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/21/taiwan-sends-jets-t... August 2022 https://www.ft.com/content/50f56242-2bd7-44c6-8878-a755ad1e3043 https://www.ft.com/content/50f56242-2bd7-44c6-8878-a755ad1e3... > they are not that strong beyond their nuclear arsenal, as Ukraine has made rather clear. Yes, they're not as strong as they're fighting like it's WWII, but Ukraine received billions of dollars worth of hi-tech weapons and that has tipped the scales in favor of Ukraine. My point is that, if USA and Europe did not provide all that assistance and weapons to Ukraine, Russia would probably have fared way better against Ukraine even with their dated weapons and tanks and their incompetent conscripted soldiers.

formerly_proven 4y ago
Reports of air space violations have to be taken with the large grain of salt which is Taiwan's ADIZ extending significantly into mainland China (which is what most reports tend to be about).
mytailorisrich 4y ago
The ADIZ is not Taiwanese airspace. It's an arbitrary, unilaterally defined area that extends well into international airspace and even into continental China. As far as I know mainland Chinese planes have always stayed in their air space or international air space. This is reported in a way that is either misleading or plainly incorrect for 'propaganda' purposes. For instance, the second article you quote is plainly a pile of cr*p. There is a map of Taiwan's ADIZ on Wikipedia from a slide by the Taiwanese military about a Chinese 'violation [1]. You can see that it extends well beyond national air space and that, in that slide, Chinese planes never came close to Taiwanese air space. This is fairly typical of what makes headlines as "Chinese incursion into Taiwan's air defence zone"... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B109%E5%B9%B49%E6%9C%8819%E6%97%A5%E5%85%B1%E8%BB%8D%E4%BE%B5%E7%8A%AF%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B%E9%98%B2%E7%A9%BA%E8%AD%98%E5%88%A5%E5%8D%80%E4%BB%A5%E5%8F%8A%E8%B6%8A%E9%81%8E%E5%8F%B0%E6%B5%B7%E4%B8%AD%E7%B7%9A.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%8B109%E5%...