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This is repeated over and over again, but i have not yet seen any convincing point how AI is able to do anything on its own without human cooperation. It doesn'

This is repeated over and over again, but i have not yet seen any convincing point how AI is able to do anything on its own without human cooperation. It doesn't even have legs or wheels if we don't give it to them... AI running wild? Take out the fuses at the Datacenter and its fucked.

gregoryl 4y ago
Given gift card tax scams are still a massive problem, it's doesn't seem like a stretch to think even very dumb AI could manipulate someone into progressing its goals.
sanxiyn 4y ago
This is naive. "Take out the fuses" didn't work, even against things like SQL Slammer worm.
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- blueflow 4y ago
  Everything humans make needs to be maintained or it will degrade and decompose. And things like computer programs also need ongoing support like power, cooling and hardware replacements. SQL Slammer also died instead of taking over.
  - IceMetalPunk 4y ago
    Humans need ongoing support like food, cooling, and medical treatments. We give those things to each other. There's already research into machines that can reproduce and self-repair, and of course software has the benefit of being able to replicate across any number of existing machines -- i.e. there is no "pull the plug" because it can exist on devices with millions of plugs around the world. So why would we think machines can't avoid a red power button?
    - blueflow 4y ago
      > We give those things to each other We harvest, construct and research these things, paying with our sweat, blood and health. AI needs to replicate that to be independent from humans, or provide something humans need in return to humans working for and supplying it. I don't see traces of either. That self-repair and self-replication is being researched does not imply its realistically or feasible. I don't see traces of that, too.
      - IceMetalPunk 4y ago
        > AI needs to replicate that to be independent from humans... No, it doesn't. We don't re-research things, or re-invent things, from scratch constantly. We have knowledge of resource use for these tasks that are already recorded by people before us. AI doesn't need to research anything in this regard, it merely needs to have an existing knowledge of how to copy itself, which requires nothing more than being built with the knowledge of how to copy itself -- something which, as I mentioned, is already in development. > That self-repair and self-replication is being researched does not imply its realistically or feasible. I don't see traces of that, too. Constructs that spontaneously seek out resources and reproduce: https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robots-that-can-reproduce/ https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot... And a more traditional robot type that can not only reproduce itself, but also evolve: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-robots-in-space/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-rob... And those are just two examples I found on a quick Google search. I'm not saying "we currently have robots that can fully self-reproduce without any help", but there's definitely research and progress being made in that area as we speak.
        blueflow 4y ago
        > Constructs that spontaneously seek out resources and reproduce: https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot... No intelligence. They dont have a nervous system or something into that direction. Humans supply them and they still die out. > And a more traditional robot type that can not only reproduce itself, but also evolve: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-rob https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-rob... "created by an robotic arm" is not self-reproduction. Face it, Sci-Fi doesn't come true just because we wish for it so hard.

gregoryl 4y ago

Given gift card tax scams are still a massive problem, it's doesn't seem like a stretch to think even very dumb AI could manipulate someone into progressing its goals.

sanxiyn 4y ago

This is naive. "Take out the fuses" didn't work, even against things like SQL Slammer worm.

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blueflow 4y ago
Everything humans make needs to be maintained or it will degrade and decompose. And things like computer programs also need ongoing support like power, cooling and hardware replacements. SQL Slammer also died instead of taking over.
- IceMetalPunk 4y ago
  Humans need ongoing support like food, cooling, and medical treatments. We give those things to each other. There's already research into machines that can reproduce and self-repair, and of course software has the benefit of being able to replicate across any number of existing machines -- i.e. there is no "pull the plug" because it can exist on devices with millions of plugs around the world. So why would we think machines can't avoid a red power button?
  - blueflow 4y ago
    > We give those things to each other We harvest, construct and research these things, paying with our sweat, blood and health. AI needs to replicate that to be independent from humans, or provide something humans need in return to humans working for and supplying it. I don't see traces of either. That self-repair and self-replication is being researched does not imply its realistically or feasible. I don't see traces of that, too.
    - IceMetalPunk 4y ago
      > AI needs to replicate that to be independent from humans... No, it doesn't. We don't re-research things, or re-invent things, from scratch constantly. We have knowledge of resource use for these tasks that are already recorded by people before us. AI doesn't need to research anything in this regard, it merely needs to have an existing knowledge of how to copy itself, which requires nothing more than being built with the knowledge of how to copy itself -- something which, as I mentioned, is already in development. > That self-repair and self-replication is being researched does not imply its realistically or feasible. I don't see traces of that, too. Constructs that spontaneously seek out resources and reproduce: https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robots-that-can-reproduce/ https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot... And a more traditional robot type that can not only reproduce itself, but also evolve: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-robots-in-space/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-rob... And those are just two examples I found on a quick Google search. I'm not saying "we currently have robots that can fully self-reproduce without any help", but there's definitely research and progress being made in that area as we speak.
      - blueflow 4y ago
        > Constructs that spontaneously seek out resources and reproduce: https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot... No intelligence. They dont have a nervous system or something into that direction. Humans supply them and they still die out. > And a more traditional robot type that can not only reproduce itself, but also evolve: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-rob https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/self-replicating-rob... "created by an robotic arm" is not self-reproduction. Face it, Sci-Fi doesn't come true just because we wish for it so hard.