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Yes, too bad about the downvotes but let me add on that and ask those who disagree what P stands for in WEP and WPA? lol. Wep is wired equivalent privacy. A co

by _8j50 4y ago

Yes, too bad about the downvotes but let me add on that and ask those who disagree what P stands for in WEP and WPA? lol. Wep is wired equivalent privacy. A connection that does not provide privacy like a GRE tunnel for example is called a tunnel never a VPN or more and GRE specifically connects networks which are typically private. You can also have VPN between two ASes on on the internet which are public networks. Wrong is wrong. Give me another argument to shoot down against VPNs lol. The correct term for both private and non-private network tunnels is an overlay network (includes stuff like 6-in-4).

anyfoo 4y ago
The P in WPA stands for Protection, the P in WEP stands for Privacy, the P in VPN stands for Private. Private and privacy don't have the same meaning, and one does not imply the other. I've cited an RFC from 1999 (RFC2547) in another reply to you that strongly suggests (to my reading, at least) that privacy was not necessarily implied in the notion of "private" (although of course a VPN could provide privacy). "Private IP addresses" in the form of "not publicly routable", but not necessarily with any privacy-providing encryption in the mix, seem closer in meaning in this case, and were often (but not always) part of it. The same RFC also pretty clearly calls the network spanned by the tunnel, not the tunnel itself, a VPN. By now, the meaning has shifted. That being said, I think this is my last message on the topic, since, well... it's quite a lot of wasted time on pedantry (which is totally my fault).
- Maursault 4y ago
  > Private and privacy don't have the same meaning, and one does not imply the other. These two words have the same root and etymology. The adjective "private" is transformed into a noun using the abstract noun suffix, "cy," to become "privacy." These two words have the same word root dressed as different parts of speech.
  - anyfoo 4y ago
    Of course they have the same root and etymology. Of course they do not have the same meaning, look them up in the dictionary. A private parking spot is not a privacy parking spot.
    - astrange 4y ago
      This reminds me of the people who think public companies (traded on the stock market) are publicly owned (part of the government) and so want the First Amendment to apply to getting banned from Facebook.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      They are strongly associated, and the definitions are related. One can not have a private conversation without privacy, and when seeking privacy it is exclusively to do something in private. Contrary to previous claims, one implies the other. The argument that privacy doesn't mean private, and vice versa, in regards to the meaning any of the letters in acronyms is specious, such as, the word private in VPN does not mean that you will have privacy, because, in fact, any transfer of data between the VPN nodes will be kept private from the Internet at large, thus the transfer is in privacy. The fallacy you and OP committed (if you are not OP, didn't check) is known as the appeal to definition.
      - anyfoo 4y ago
        > One can not have a private conversation without privacy, and when seeking privacy it is exclusively to do something in private. One can have a private parking spot without privacy, though. Or a private pilot license. > any transfer of data between the VPN nodes will be kept private from the Internet at large, thus the transfer is in privacy Not if your VPN is not encrypted, which exists, although it isn't very common anymore, for obvious reasons. The IP address "10.1.1.1" is still part of IANA's private IP address space, no matter whether it is transported in a way (say using an unecrypted tunnel over the public Internet) that provides privacy or not.
        Maursault 4y ago

by _8j50 4y ago

anyfoo 4y ago

The P in WPA stands for Protection, the P in WEP stands for Privacy, the P in VPN stands for Private. Private and privacy don't have the same meaning, and one does not imply the other. I've cited an RFC from 1999 (RFC2547) in another reply to you that strongly suggests (to my reading, at least) that privacy was not necessarily implied in the notion of "private" (although of course a VPN could provide privacy). "Private IP addresses" in the form of "not publicly routable", but not necessarily with any privacy-providing encryption in the mix, seem closer in meaning in this case, and were often (but not always) part of it. The same RFC also pretty clearly calls the network spanned by the tunnel, not the tunnel itself, a VPN. By now, the meaning has shifted. That being said, I think this is my last message on the topic, since, well... it's quite a lot of wasted time on pedantry (which is totally my fault).

Maursault 4y ago
> Private and privacy don't have the same meaning, and one does not imply the other. These two words have the same root and etymology. The adjective "private" is transformed into a noun using the abstract noun suffix, "cy," to become "privacy." These two words have the same word root dressed as different parts of speech.
- anyfoo 4y ago
  Of course they have the same root and etymology. Of course they do not have the same meaning, look them up in the dictionary. A private parking spot is not a privacy parking spot.
  - astrange 4y ago
    This reminds me of the people who think public companies (traded on the stock market) are publicly owned (part of the government) and so want the First Amendment to apply to getting banned from Facebook.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    They are strongly associated, and the definitions are related. One can not have a private conversation without privacy, and when seeking privacy it is exclusively to do something in private. Contrary to previous claims, one implies the other. The argument that privacy doesn't mean private, and vice versa, in regards to the meaning any of the letters in acronyms is specious, such as, the word private in VPN does not mean that you will have privacy, because, in fact, any transfer of data between the VPN nodes will be kept private from the Internet at large, thus the transfer is in privacy. The fallacy you and OP committed (if you are not OP, didn't check) is known as the appeal to definition.
    - anyfoo 4y ago
      > One can not have a private conversation without privacy, and when seeking privacy it is exclusively to do something in private. One can have a private parking spot without privacy, though. Or a private pilot license. > any transfer of data between the VPN nodes will be kept private from the Internet at large, thus the transfer is in privacy Not if your VPN is not encrypted, which exists, although it isn't very common anymore, for obvious reasons. The IP address "10.1.1.1" is still part of IANA's private IP address space, no matter whether it is transported in a way (say using an unecrypted tunnel over the public Internet) that provides privacy or not.
      - Maursault 4y ago