i think an issue is that most "apps" are just CRUD and the "reactive" parts end up just being used to propagate the READ part to the ui, but this can be handled

i think an issue is that most "apps" are just CRUD and the "reactive" parts end up just being used to propagate the READ part to the ui, but this can be handled by promises most cases (ime) just fine the other part is the UPDATE from the ui to the model, again this can be handled by simple callbacks and refresh the ui again with promises there are some nice features of these libraries but most of it goes unused because most apps don't actually need all that power/complexity (sadly i suppose) lastly, (ime) many devs also don't seem to know how to program data flow in a single direction which gets really hairy because now everything is reacting to everything and fixing one thing breaks another....