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Shockingly, most food delivery people don’t use cars… This is the weirdest straw man. Scooters are cheaper to operate and faster if there’s any traffic.
by prvit 4y ago
Shockingly, most food delivery people don’t use cars…
This is the weirdest straw man. Scooters are cheaper to operate and faster if there’s any traffic.
- pc86 4y agoMaybe most in large urban areas, but everywhere else 99.9% of delivery is happening in an automobile.
- Mo3 4y agoHere in NL 99.9% of delivery is not happening by automobile haha
- prvit 4y agoThere’s also fuck all food deliveries happening outside urban areas.
- spywaregorilla 4y agoNot true at all. It's stupid expensive in most suburbs but its definitely there.
- maxerickson 4y agoSuburbs are urban. The 'sub' is a reference to the proximity to the (likely denser) city, not a step between urban and rural. So for instance, the small town I live in is also considered urban (but is located in a rural county).
- prvit 4y agoYeah, it’s true. The amount of restaurants and amount of deliveries they make to suburbs is negligible when compared with urban areas.
- spywaregorilla 4y agoThat is a very different claim
- prvit 4y agoNo it’s not. It’s exactly the same claim. “fuck all” means nothing or very little, in this context it’s obviously “very little”. In any case, we’re discussing the sustainability of delivery services. Most of the world lives in cities, it really doesn’t matter if they’re unsustainable in rural areas.
- spywaregorilla 4y agoyou changed your claim again. Suburbs app delivery is negligible compared to urban, but its still pretty hot. My area has farms but you can still see delivery pickups running constantly at popular restaurants.
- prvit 4y agoGo on, explain how and where I changed my claim. While you’re at it, maybe also explain how this has anything to do with the subject at hand?
- spywaregorilla 4y ago(x < urban) != (x <= small)
- swarnie 4y agoWhat are you classing as "urban" ? My town has just under 120k people and the majority of deliveries are done by car.
- prvit 4y agoWow, breaking news! Americans refuse to drive two wheeled vehicles for no particular reason! Truly, a shocking new development.
- CyberDildonics 4y agoMaybe you should consider weather, families and highways.
- prvit 4y agoYes, because they don’t have weather or families in London.
- CyberDildonics 4y agoThey also have public transportation so you can get by without a car and have a scooter for when it works. In the US most people need a car anyway so they have it already and anything with two wheels is there for fun and not neccesity.
- prvit 4y agoSo, what you’re saying is that two wheeled vehicles are equally unnecessary in both contexts?
- CyberDildonics 4y agoI have no idea how you got there from what I said. You said "americans avoid two wheeled vehicles for no reason". They have cars anyway so they use them. The reason they need cars is because it gets cold, there are highways that go fast and it's dangerous and illegal to take young kids or more than one kid on a scooter. This is not complicated.
- TremendousJudge 4y agoThis is a very US-centric view. In most of the world, poor people (who are delivery drivers) don't own cars.
- na85 4y ago>Shockingly, most food delivery people don’t use cars… Depending on geographic location, no doubt. Can you imagine risking your life on a scooter weaving through idiots in their lifted pickups in any American metro?
- spywaregorilla 4y agoPickups are more of a rural thing. They're hardly normative in urban areas.
- ziddoap 4y agoMaybe where your familiar with? Last I lived in Calgary, trucks were absolutely the norm. >That's especially true in Alberta, where 89 per cent of spending on new vehicles this year has gone to trucks, vans and SUVs. That compares to about 80 per cent, nationwide. >"We're basically a truck market," said Denis Ducharme, president of the Motor Dealers Association of Alberta.
- spywaregorilla 4y agoSUVs and vans are very different from trucks
- ziddoap 4y ago>"We're basically a truck market," said Denis Ducharme, And, I mean... I lived there. Saw many more trucks than anything else on the road.
- spywaregorilla 4y agohttps://www.calgary.ca/roads/conditions/traffic-cameras.html https://www.calgary.ca/roads/conditions/traffic-cameras.html Traffic camera feeds suggest this is not the case by a long shot? I don't have a particular stake in this race though.
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- rchaud 4y agoNot if you also moonlight as an Uber/Lyft driver
- CyberDildonics 4y agoAnywhere you have snow is going to have to have deliveries done by car.
- prvit 4y agoNo? That’s definitely not the norm in places like Finland. Sure, in the winter the proportion of couriers driving cars increases. You also see tons of people on fatbikes and similar.
- CyberDildonics 4y agoYou think "the norm" in Finland is for people to drive scooters through snow for delivery? Can you show a link that explains why you think that?
- prvit 4y agoI’m not sure how you could take that away from my comment which did not mention scooters at all.
- vector_spaces 4y agoNot a single delivery driver from any service has shown up at my home in a major city in the US southwest using a scooter. Every single one drives a car (I see them pull up on our cameras). You would die of heat stroke pretty quickly delivering food on a scooter in the middle of summer out here.
- prvit 4y ago>You would die of heat stroke pretty quickly delivering food on a scooter in the middle of summer out here. Scooter deliveries are the norm even in the warmest areas of Europe. Same goes for places like Tehran, in fact almost all of Asia.
- dijit 4y agoEvery single order (bar one) I ever got was delivered on a scooter. The exception was riding a standard bicycle. Sure, I live in mainland Europe, but you talk as if you talk for everywhere.
- Macha 4y agoMeanwhile in my major european city, I'd say bikes have a 70% share among delivery drivers. (Although some of those bikes may have cost more than the cars the other 30% are driving, which is a bit of a "uber tesla driver" situation).
- dahart 4y agoWhy do you claim “most”? Are you certain? Do you have data? I saw a lot of delivery scooters in California, but they seem far less common in other cities. Lane splitting also isn’t legal everywhere either, so scooters aren’t necessarily faster. What cities & countries are you referring to? Scooters are very limited in cargo capacity are not particularly viable in rainy or winter weather, not to mention just statistically increased injuries and danger for riders, which eventually translates into liability with scale. If you have to make multiple trips when one car trip would have sufficed, that completely undermines the cheap & fast argument. If you have to have cars around for bad weather days or bad weather seasons anyway…
- prvit 4y agoDid you know that there are places outside of the US? > Scooters are very limited in cargo capacity Only Americans would be regularly ordering so much takeout as to worry about scooters not being able to transport it. You really need to reconsider your dietary choices if this is a serious concern. > Scooters […] are not particularly viable in rainy or winter weather Scooters are perfectly viable in rainy weather. Nobody does food deliveries with a car in London.
- dahart 4y agoSure I do, that’s part of my point. That doesn’t answer the question. Why do you claim “most”?
- prvit 4y agoBecause it’s the norm in Europe, in Asia and Africa. Probably Latin America too.
- dahart 4y agoDo you have any data or other backup for your claim besides opinion? You might be right, I’m just curious. Do you know where scooters aren’t the norm? Do you know how often alternatives are used and for what reasons?