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A lot of automakers are chasing Tesla's one screen design -- they're so envious of the cost savings there. Except the Germans, they're still putting in lots of

A lot of automakers are chasing Tesla's one screen design -- they're so envious of the cost savings there. Except the Germans, they're still putting in lots of buttons and knobs -- my next car will likely be German because they seem to understand what people actually want.

CamperBob2 4y ago
Buy it quick. Even the Macan has a stupid piano-black console touch panel in its current generation.
- bonestamp2 4y ago
  Ya, that's the fault of journalists always complaining about "blank" panels. The former Porsche solution to that was better than this new panel.
- ct0 4y ago
  My previous version Porsche (958) has a button for newly every function. Its very similar to a small plane and it 100% allows me to focus on the road and whats important without looking at the change of function.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    Exactly, same for my 95B.2. I bought it right after the 95B.3 spy shots came out. No regrets.
qbrass 4y ago
Hope it's not a new Golf. VW did more damage to their reputation with that interior than from Dieselgate.
- GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
  What happened to thr interior?
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Nothing good. Climate control/radio buttons are gone. Materials are generally cheaper, like on the previous generation (US) Jetta.
ajross 4y ago
Have you driven a Tesla much? The general UX intent is that you're not supposed to need to interact with the screen while driving. Wipers are automatic, lights are automatic (both can be pulsed with the stalks of course). Virtually everything responds to voice commands ("Play Stairway to Heaven", "Navigate to Albertsons", "Set temperature to 72", etc...). All this stuff works really well. I won't engage with "what people actually want" except to point to sales figures, I guess. Everyone likes different stuff. But the point is that Tesla is winning in this space because they're handing people an outside-the-box solution. Asking for "lots of buttons and knobs" is just demanding the older solution. That doesn't say the older solution is wrong, but it does argue that maybe you're failing to understand the new paradigm.
- GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
  Voice control is terrible, I have to use a fake accent to get it to do anything, and even then its often flaky
  - ajross 4y ago
    Post a video and get famous. Meh. I'm sure stuff doesn't work somewhere for someone. But... come on. Voice recognition is a long solved problem. Tesla's works as wells as Amazon's or Apple's or whoever's, which is to say sure, it makes an occasional mistake, but it basically isn't a problem except in arguments like this one on the internet. Mine works great. I love it and use it every day. I'm sorry yours doesn't, but at least you can sell your car for a profit and get one with buttons, so that's something.
    - hedora 4y ago
      It doesn't matter how well it works. I want a button. That way, I can adjust things without talking over passengers, and the kids cannot adjust things by talking to it. If I have to pish a button to activate it, then it is strictly more work than pushing a button. If it filters out all but the driver using stereo location, then the passenger can't futz with it for the driver on long trips.
jonnybgood 4y ago
Have you not seen the interior of a Porsche Taycan? German makes are definitely moving in the same direction because it actually is what people want. They just move slower.
- bonestamp2 4y ago
  Cadillac went away from tactile controls in 2012 and they reversed their course in the following generation. People think it is what they want, until they have to live with it. The automakers are happy to oblige since virtually every dept loves them for different reasons.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
Saving $100 worth of knobs on a $100k vehicle can't be the motivation. They're probably far more envious of the ability to put the air conditioner behind a monthly subscription vja remote software update, or render the entire vehicle useless with a 'security' update that makes 10yo cars too unresponsive to use
- hef19898 4y ago
  It is, because even saving 1 buck on a 100k car that is sold less-then-what-peiple-think margins hundred of thousands of times is a good thing. Heck, even at higher margins it is worth doing. Welcome to the world of mass production of physical goods.
dangrossman 4y ago
My Volkswagen ID.4 (German-built) doesn't have a single actual button in it. All touchscreens, capacitive simulated buttons, voice control and even gesture control. But no buttons, and the only knob is for the mirror adjustment.

CamperBob2 4y ago

Buy it quick. Even the Macan has a stupid piano-black console touch panel in its current generation.

bonestamp2 4y ago
Ya, that's the fault of journalists always complaining about "blank" panels. The former Porsche solution to that was better than this new panel.
ct0 4y ago
My previous version Porsche (958) has a button for newly every function. Its very similar to a small plane and it 100% allows me to focus on the road and whats important without looking at the change of function.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  Exactly, same for my 95B.2. I bought it right after the 95B.3 spy shots came out. No regrets.

qbrass 4y ago

Hope it's not a new Golf. VW did more damage to their reputation with that interior than from Dieselgate.

GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
What happened to thr interior?
- TylerE 4y ago
  Nothing good. Climate control/radio buttons are gone. Materials are generally cheaper, like on the previous generation (US) Jetta.

ajross 4y ago

Have you driven a Tesla much? The general UX intent is that you're not supposed to need to interact with the screen while driving. Wipers are automatic, lights are automatic (both can be pulsed with the stalks of course). Virtually everything responds to voice commands ("Play Stairway to Heaven", "Navigate to Albertsons", "Set temperature to 72", etc...). All this stuff works really well. I won't engage with "what people actually want" except to point to sales figures, I guess. Everyone likes different stuff. But the point is that Tesla is winning in this space because they're handing people an outside-the-box solution. Asking for "lots of buttons and knobs" is just demanding the older solution. That doesn't say the older solution is wrong, but it does argue that maybe you're failing to understand the new paradigm.

GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
Voice control is terrible, I have to use a fake accent to get it to do anything, and even then its often flaky
- ajross 4y ago
  Post a video and get famous. Meh. I'm sure stuff doesn't work somewhere for someone. But... come on. Voice recognition is a long solved problem. Tesla's works as wells as Amazon's or Apple's or whoever's, which is to say sure, it makes an occasional mistake, but it basically isn't a problem except in arguments like this one on the internet. Mine works great. I love it and use it every day. I'm sorry yours doesn't, but at least you can sell your car for a profit and get one with buttons, so that's something.
  - hedora 4y ago
    It doesn't matter how well it works. I want a button. That way, I can adjust things without talking over passengers, and the kids cannot adjust things by talking to it. If I have to pish a button to activate it, then it is strictly more work than pushing a button. If it filters out all but the driver using stereo location, then the passenger can't futz with it for the driver on long trips.

jonnybgood 4y ago

Have you not seen the interior of a Porsche Taycan? German makes are definitely moving in the same direction because it actually is what people want. They just move slower.

bonestamp2 4y ago
Cadillac went away from tactile controls in 2012 and they reversed their course in the following generation. People think it is what they want, until they have to live with it. The automakers are happy to oblige since virtually every dept loves them for different reasons.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

Saving $100 worth of knobs on a $100k vehicle can't be the motivation. They're probably far more envious of the ability to put the air conditioner behind a monthly subscription vja remote software update, or render the entire vehicle useless with a 'security' update that makes 10yo cars too unresponsive to use

hef19898 4y ago
It is, because even saving 1 buck on a 100k car that is sold less-then-what-peiple-think margins hundred of thousands of times is a good thing. Heck, even at higher margins it is worth doing. Welcome to the world of mass production of physical goods.

dangrossman 4y ago

My Volkswagen ID.4 (German-built) doesn't have a single actual button in it. All touchscreens, capacitive simulated buttons, voice control and even gesture control. But no buttons, and the only knob is for the mirror adjustment.