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Given that the Prime Minister appointed an ideologue Greenpeace activist as the head of Climate policy, I too am skeptical that Germany has reversed its decisio
by koheripbal 4y ago
Given that the Prime Minister appointed an ideologue Greenpeace activist as the head of Climate policy, I too am skeptical that Germany has reversed its decision.
- causi 4y agoI don't know why you're flagged. Germany's special envoy for international climate policy, Jennifer Morgan, is indeed the chief of Greenpeace International. Granted it's debatable how much direct power the post has.
- forty 4y agoI haven't downvoted, but I think it might be because calling someone an ideologue because you disagree with them is bad taste.
- colechristensen 4y agoIf we go ahead and look at the definition of the word, I think it would almost be an automatic label for a Greenpeace leader.
- SECProto 4y agoDictionary definitions generally don't include information on connotation. Edit: I searched to find a dictionary for word connotations, best I found in a couple mins is https://www3.cs.stonybrook.edu/~ychoi/connotation/ https://www3.cs.stonybrook.edu/~ychoi/connotation/
- forty 4y agoAdmittedly I'm French and the negative connotation of this word might not have carried to English but looking at an English dictionary [1] it does seem to me that's it's something you would only say of someone you disagree with. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideologue https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideologue
- colechristensen 4y agoI'm one to think ideologues "on my side" also deserve to be disagreed with because of their methods and absolutism. But you are right, it's not a thing you'd really say about somebody you liked.
- causi 4y ago“Nuclear power plants are not the solution to climate change. To make fuels for nuclear power plants, we have to go through the whole process of uranium mining, transporting, and disposing. Considering this fact, there will be a lot of carbon emissions.” When you're so rabidly anti-nuclear that you ignore the fact uranium is 1.5 million times as energy-dense as coal, you are an ideologue. Uranium has so much energy per kilogram you could fuel the world's reactors by shipping it via airplane. There's plenty to criticize about the environmental damage of uranium mining. Carbon emissions is not one of them. It's my opinion this choice to attack nuclear energy by casting it in whatever critical light is trendy rather than its actual weaknesses demonstrates Morgan is against nuclear energy for ideological reasons that have nothing to do with its actual dangers, hence she is doing little or no risk/reward calculation, and that her future choices will not be based on human energy needs and accurate assessments of nuclear technology and industry.
- jonny_eh 4y agoBy comparison, mining of coal emits carbon, and using it emits carbon. Double whammy of carbon emissions.
- forty 4y agoI don't know the person we are discussing about in this thread and I don't know her opinions or the opinion of German green party etc, but I do know some arguments of green parties here in France that are also anti nuclear too (note also that France and Germany are very different when it comes to nuclear as here most of our electricity is nuclear already) The arguments they make is that producing electricity and most usage of electricity are bad for our planet and thus we should use less electricity if we want to preserve it (and as a result wouldn't need to add extra nuclear or coal capacity). This part is often forgotten which results of thinking they want to replace nuclear by coal, which would be absurd. I imagine it's probably hard to imagine that someone would think that seriously from a US perspective (one of my US based colleague asked "when are you getting AC in Europe??" when here many people are wondering if the Americans are going to stop being crazy with their freezing AC ^^)
- raverbashing 4y agoGreenpeace, true to its name and thanks to its anti-nuclear position is one of the big reasons why 2022 is not Green nor Peaceful
- ianpurton 4y agoI was sceptical. Turns out you are right. > Greenpeace has always fought - and will continue to fight - vigorously against nuclear power because it is an unacceptable risk to the environment and to humanity. The only solution is to halt the expansion of all nuclear power, and for the shutdown of existing plants.
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- _ph_ 4y agoBecause it is wrong. She isn't heading German climate affairs.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoGreenpeace is pro-nuclear now.
- kube-system 4y agoI know nothing about Greenpeace, but their website seems to disagree with that: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/issues/nuclear/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/issues...
- LawTalkingGuy 4y agoThey say otherwise. https://www.greenpeace.org/international/tag/nuclear/ https://www.greenpeace.org/international/tag/nuclear/ "Greenpeace has always fought - and will continue to fight - vigorously against nuclear power because it is an unacceptable risk to the environment and to humanity. The only solution is to halt the expansion of all nuclear power, and for the shutdown of existing plants."
- gjs278 4y ago
- Tomte 4y agoThe foreign minister, not the Chancellor (that's what our prime minister is called).
- DasIch 4y agoAssuming this refers to Jennifer Morgan: * Germany has no prime minister, Germany has a chancellor. * The prime minister didn't appoint her, the cabinet did. * She is not head of climate policy, she is a special envoy for climate policy as part of the federal foreign office. This is a diplomatic position. That means such decisions are out of scope here entirely.
- sveme 4y agoThanks for the clarifications, it's always shocking to see the amount of bullshit on hackernews (and reddit) when it comes to Germany, renewable/nuclear energy and the like. Makes me want to question everything else that is posted here where I know less of. Reminder of the Gell-Mann Amnesia.
- colechristensen 4y agoThere is a lot of overconfidence on HN for non-core subjects of the HN crowd. Non-computer sciences and engineering comment sections are full of people speaking their guesses with authority.
- DasIch 4y agoThere is a lot of overconfidence on core subjects also. Think of the rsync dropbox thing or any thread about kubernetes (I don't need it, so nobody does!)
- honkler 4y agotbh, you probably don't need kubernetes
- sdoering 4y agoI currently need (to know) it and would rather not. Especially in a multi cluster, kustomize, istio, argocd, Jenkins on bare metal over multiple physical data centers. To me with intermediate data dev ops knowledge this is quite a level of complexity.
- s_dev 4y agoInsane that Greenpeace is anti-nuclear. Really undermines the organizations goals.
- darthrupert 4y agoFortunately, a majority of the new generation of Greens around Europe are coming to their senses and support nuclear power. Not sure about Greenpeace though, they are a bit messed up.
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- the_third_wave 4y agoThey would have to admit they were wrong when they opposed nuclear power, always a difficult thing for ideologically driven organisations. Some individuals manage to make amends with their mistaken activism but it takes a number of influential individuals to convincingly steer an organisation away from the cliffs it has been aiming for. Those individuals will initially be lambasted by the true believers so they often choose to leave the organisation instead of trying to reform it. This means the organisation is pulled even more towards the old/failed ideology which makes it even harder for it to be reformed.
- senectus1 4y agoBecause of green washing. Nuclear is carbon friendly, might even be climate change friendly but its a long way from being environmentally friendly.
- _ph_ 4y agoThat is wrong. That former Greepeace member works for the foreign ministry, it seems with the purpose of dealing with international actions against climate change. This office has nothing to do with the German climate policiy. That would be the minister of environmental affairs and the minister of economy.