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I knew there'd be at least one of you guys in this thread.

by RajT88 4y ago

labrador 4y ago
Like a "reply guy" on Twitter mansplaining Microsoft
metaltyphoon 4y ago
There always is. 1) Don't trust Go because of Google 2) Don't trust C#,F# because M$ (yes with dollar sign) 3) Don't trust Java because Oracle 4) You gotta use XXX tech, which has no jobs in your area Yada Yada... yet is probably using VSCode or GitHub. Just ignore it.
- InitEnabler 4y ago
  Yup. Basically the programming version of "No ethical consumption under capitalism." saying.
  - pxc 4y ago
    It's the opposite. > There is no ethical consumption under capitalism is said to de-emphasize or criticize arguments that are centered on consumer choice which is exactly what you and GP are doing by saying > You have no choice but to depend on big corporations for key software platforms; advising or choosing to stay away from this one or that one matters little
- nikanj 4y ago
  5) You gotta use unstable alpha because decades-in-production tools are obviously oldschool and thus slow
- deleted 4y ago
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- okso 4y ago
  5) Trust Python because it's driven by a community, not a corporation ? Same goes for trusting Vue.js instead of React (Meta) and Angular (Google).
make3 4y ago
I mean Microsoft does have a history of fucking the open source world. We can like their new approach without denying that, and understand people having their reserves.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Don't forget their customers.
bayindirh 4y ago
Make us two. I didn't get the memo which states that we need to unconditionally trust Microsoft. We still have copilot case in front of us.
- RajT88 4y ago
  It's funny you say this because nobody in this thread is actually saying: > unconditionally trust Microsoft But the poster I was responding to was pretty clearly saying that we should: > unconditionally distrust Microsoft
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    I'm also saying the same thing. We should not trust Microsoft, ever. However with your wording, you leave the impression that you don't agree with your parent (which is perfectly OK in my book), hence I'm not agreeing with you, but your parent.
    - RajT88 4y ago
      OK. I mean, yeah I disagree. There's ample reason to distrust Microsoft these days, but far less than there used to be. I've signed many antitrust petitions for them over the years. And they have won a fair amount of good will since Satya came on and pushed for cultural change, as well as a larger pivot towards cloud and open source. So, you know. It's a mixed bag is my take.
      - bayindirh 4y ago
        Sorry, I just can't see the change Satya brought to the company. Considering their "collaboration" with Canonical, it feels like Microsoft is paying Canonical in order to get help for strangling Linux desktop inside the Windows ecosystem, finally extinguishing desktop Linux installs once and for all. As a payback they're leaving server space to Canonical, but port their software to work on Ubuntu, so they have a suitable "free" platform to monetize their software. Canonical can make boatloads of money by selling support, Landscape and similar services meanwhile. I'm thankful to them for their Copilot shenanigans though, they kickstarted the motivation inside me to be even more serious about the services and software I use. I left GitHub, slowly moving away from Google services, etc.
naruhodo 4y ago
I've been keeping an eye on Microsoft's bullshit since the 90s. Just when you think that leopard might have changed its spots (think VS Code) they pull this shit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/ingame_chat_moderation_and_reporting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/ingame_ch... Fuck Microsoft.
taskforcegemini 4y ago
I don't know any corporation that can be trusted, but it is microsoft that is known for "embrace, extend, and extinguish" fool me how many times?
- pie_flavor 4y ago
  If they don't support something, it's bad, if they do support something, it's EEE, which is bad. And this EEE strategy is magically tied to the company name, instead of having left with the CEO that pushed it.

I knew there'd be at least one of you guys in this thread.

by RajT88 4y ago

I knew there'd be at least one of you guys in this thread.

labrador 4y ago

Like a "reply guy" on Twitter mansplaining Microsoft

metaltyphoon 4y ago

There always is. 1) Don't trust Go because of Google 2) Don't trust C#,F# because M$ (yes with dollar sign) 3) Don't trust Java because Oracle 4) You gotta use XXX tech, which has no jobs in your area Yada Yada... yet is probably using VSCode or GitHub. Just ignore it.

InitEnabler 4y ago
Yup. Basically the programming version of "No ethical consumption under capitalism." saying.
- pxc 4y ago
  It's the opposite. > There is no ethical consumption under capitalism is said to de-emphasize or criticize arguments that are centered on consumer choice which is exactly what you and GP are doing by saying > You have no choice but to depend on big corporations for key software platforms; advising or choosing to stay away from this one or that one matters little
nikanj 4y ago
5) You gotta use unstable alpha because decades-in-production tools are obviously oldschool and thus slow
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
okso 4y ago
5) Trust Python because it's driven by a community, not a corporation ? Same goes for trusting Vue.js instead of React (Meta) and Angular (Google).

make3 4y ago

I mean Microsoft does have a history of fucking the open source world. We can like their new approach without denying that, and understand people having their reserves.

mixmastamyk 4y ago
Don't forget their customers.

bayindirh 4y ago

Make us two. I didn't get the memo which states that we need to unconditionally trust Microsoft. We still have copilot case in front of us.

RajT88 4y ago
It's funny you say this because nobody in this thread is actually saying: > unconditionally trust Microsoft But the poster I was responding to was pretty clearly saying that we should: > unconditionally distrust Microsoft
- bayindirh 4y ago
  I'm also saying the same thing. We should not trust Microsoft, ever. However with your wording, you leave the impression that you don't agree with your parent (which is perfectly OK in my book), hence I'm not agreeing with you, but your parent.
  - RajT88 4y ago
    OK. I mean, yeah I disagree. There's ample reason to distrust Microsoft these days, but far less than there used to be. I've signed many antitrust petitions for them over the years. And they have won a fair amount of good will since Satya came on and pushed for cultural change, as well as a larger pivot towards cloud and open source. So, you know. It's a mixed bag is my take.
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      Sorry, I just can't see the change Satya brought to the company. Considering their "collaboration" with Canonical, it feels like Microsoft is paying Canonical in order to get help for strangling Linux desktop inside the Windows ecosystem, finally extinguishing desktop Linux installs once and for all. As a payback they're leaving server space to Canonical, but port their software to work on Ubuntu, so they have a suitable "free" platform to monetize their software. Canonical can make boatloads of money by selling support, Landscape and similar services meanwhile. I'm thankful to them for their Copilot shenanigans though, they kickstarted the motivation inside me to be even more serious about the services and software I use. I left GitHub, slowly moving away from Google services, etc.

naruhodo 4y ago

I've been keeping an eye on Microsoft's bullshit since the 90s. Just when you think that leopard might have changed its spots (think VS Code) they pull this shit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/ingame_chat_moderation_and_reporting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/vjpz2w/ingame_ch... Fuck Microsoft.

taskforcegemini 4y ago

I don't know any corporation that can be trusted, but it is microsoft that is known for "embrace, extend, and extinguish" fool me how many times?

pie_flavor 4y ago
If they don't support something, it's bad, if they do support something, it's EEE, which is bad. And this EEE strategy is magically tied to the company name, instead of having left with the CEO that pushed it.