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You very specifically said "cost at least 2x more than comparable.". So I'd like you to post an example of a laptop that is indeed comparable and costs half th

You very specifically said "cost at least 2x more than comparable.". So I'd like you to post an example of a laptop that is indeed comparable and costs half the price of an M1 MacBook Pro or Air. Either stand by what you said, or correct yourself. >>The luxury laptop market is now an Apple exclusive. Plenty of extremely expensive(more so than Macbooks) laptops from HP, Dell, Lenovo and Asus. Saying that only apple makes "luxury laptops" is just....not true.

jqpabc123 4y ago
It's hard to find a laptop nowadays with comparable "specs" --- and this I believe is by design. You can't get a "Retina" display anywhere else. Comparable real world "functionality" is a different story --- one based on need. What is "Retina"? Only Apple knows but it appears to mean more pixels than your eyes can detect. It is marketing more so than functionality. A lot of the high end Apple "features" or "specs" have little or no impact on real world functionality. They exist mainly to justify added expense and/or bragging rights.
- cornstalks 4y ago
  There are plenty of other high-DPI laptops (don’t get distracted by “Retina”). Just search for a 4K laptop. It’ll have the same(ish) pixel density as a MacBook Pro. Also, saying it has little or no impact on real world functionality is an opinion I strongly disagree with. I will never work on a low-DPI screen again because I vastly prefer the crispness of high-DPI screens.
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- gambiting 4y ago
  I think you are just trying to avoid answering the question, because you realized the original quote is just not true in the slightest. >>Comparable real world "functionality" is a different story --- one based on need. I will repeat my request for the third time then - please provide an example of a laptop at half price of an M1 Macbook Air/Pro that has comparable "real world functionality" then. Please observe how I'm completely open to working with your terms, so just go ahead and provide something, anything. >>A lot of the high end Apple "features" or "specs" have little or no impact on real world functionality. Like what? Please name one.
  - spookie 4y ago
    You can get some laptop with an high end i7, and RTX 3070 at half the price with comparable performance while costing ~1300$. Sure, it doesn't have the same battery life. But at that cost it's a penalty that most are willing to take. Now, I don't want to extend the rivalry here. For starters, I don't think this comparison makes sense. What people value depends entirely on their own volition. And to be frank, there are intrinsic penalties you're willing to take when buying Apple products. As such, this debate will never come to a fair conclusion. But that's another conversation entirely.
    - yywwbbn 4y ago
      You can get desktop which would be more powerful for even less, how is this particularly different? The Windows laptop will likely be bulky, have a terrible touchpad and sound like a portable jet engine (as long as it’s Intel at least).
      - spookie 4y ago
        I was simply answering the question made by my post's parent. As for the rest, touchpads have been getting better. Both in hardware and drivers. The latter is true in Linux land, at least. I don't use Windows, so I wouldn't know. Unless it's under full load, and you've got a GPU mux switch, I don't think your fans will sound as a jet engine either. But either way, at that price, yeah... It'll be bulkier than a Mac. Aaand your fans will spin. Aaand your battery life will be worse, 'cause CISC lol. Still miles better than carrying a desktop though. I'm happy for Apple, in all honesty. RISC is the future. I just hope that bigger and better open firmware projects keep coming, so I can keep tinkering (and having no x86 license to deal with, it does seem that future is bright). Unfortunately, x86 just has better support right now.
- qwytw 4y ago
  MS, Dell, IBM and I guess a bunch of other companies sell more expensive laptops than Apple with objectively inferior 'specs' (obviously they have other advantage besides Linux/Windows support, like different screen selection, upgradeable RAM and/or storage (sometimes) etc..) it's just that people seem to rarely buy them compared to Macbooks.
NonNefarious 4y ago
To be picky: If something costs 2X more, the other item needs to come in at 1/3 the price, not 1/2.

jqpabc123 4y ago

It's hard to find a laptop nowadays with comparable "specs" --- and this I believe is by design. You can't get a "Retina" display anywhere else. Comparable real world "functionality" is a different story --- one based on need. What is "Retina"? Only Apple knows but it appears to mean more pixels than your eyes can detect. It is marketing more so than functionality. A lot of the high end Apple "features" or "specs" have little or no impact on real world functionality. They exist mainly to justify added expense and/or bragging rights.

cornstalks 4y ago
There are plenty of other high-DPI laptops (don’t get distracted by “Retina”). Just search for a 4K laptop. It’ll have the same(ish) pixel density as a MacBook Pro. Also, saying it has little or no impact on real world functionality is an opinion I strongly disagree with. I will never work on a low-DPI screen again because I vastly prefer the crispness of high-DPI screens.
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gambiting 4y ago
I think you are just trying to avoid answering the question, because you realized the original quote is just not true in the slightest. >>Comparable real world "functionality" is a different story --- one based on need. I will repeat my request for the third time then - please provide an example of a laptop at half price of an M1 Macbook Air/Pro that has comparable "real world functionality" then. Please observe how I'm completely open to working with your terms, so just go ahead and provide something, anything. >>A lot of the high end Apple "features" or "specs" have little or no impact on real world functionality. Like what? Please name one.
- spookie 4y ago
  You can get some laptop with an high end i7, and RTX 3070 at half the price with comparable performance while costing ~1300$. Sure, it doesn't have the same battery life. But at that cost it's a penalty that most are willing to take. Now, I don't want to extend the rivalry here. For starters, I don't think this comparison makes sense. What people value depends entirely on their own volition. And to be frank, there are intrinsic penalties you're willing to take when buying Apple products. As such, this debate will never come to a fair conclusion. But that's another conversation entirely.
  - yywwbbn 4y ago
    You can get desktop which would be more powerful for even less, how is this particularly different? The Windows laptop will likely be bulky, have a terrible touchpad and sound like a portable jet engine (as long as it’s Intel at least).
    - spookie 4y ago
      I was simply answering the question made by my post's parent. As for the rest, touchpads have been getting better. Both in hardware and drivers. The latter is true in Linux land, at least. I don't use Windows, so I wouldn't know. Unless it's under full load, and you've got a GPU mux switch, I don't think your fans will sound as a jet engine either. But either way, at that price, yeah... It'll be bulkier than a Mac. Aaand your fans will spin. Aaand your battery life will be worse, 'cause CISC lol. Still miles better than carrying a desktop though. I'm happy for Apple, in all honesty. RISC is the future. I just hope that bigger and better open firmware projects keep coming, so I can keep tinkering (and having no x86 license to deal with, it does seem that future is bright). Unfortunately, x86 just has better support right now.
qwytw 4y ago
MS, Dell, IBM and I guess a bunch of other companies sell more expensive laptops than Apple with objectively inferior 'specs' (obviously they have other advantage besides Linux/Windows support, like different screen selection, upgradeable RAM and/or storage (sometimes) etc..) it's just that people seem to rarely buy them compared to Macbooks.

NonNefarious 4y ago

To be picky: If something costs 2X more, the other item needs to come in at 1/3 the price, not 1/2.