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I know who I would have fired without hesitation.

Mo3 4y ago
Yeah. "Caste", "Color", doesn't matter, all the same shit. If someone sees a problem there, they're unfit for a lot of other stuff.
- codyb 4y ago
  My good friend's Indian and she loved when I described the caste system as "just racism for people who look alike". Groups gonna group... it's good to see there's some pushback on the bullshit.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    As usual it breaks down to tribalism and fear of "the other". It can cause racism, religious persecution, sexism, etc.
civilized 4y ago
Along with anyone who found this a difficult decision once the facts were clear. People with these beliefs don't belong anywhere in society where they can oppress others. Just as white people who think blacks are beneath them do not belong in any setting where they can affect a black person.
- michaelt 4y ago
  I'm not surprised some people found it a difficult decision to be honest. I mean, discovering a new form of discrimination, which only Indians can perform? And none of your fellow managers have ever heard of this stuff? And you don't know WTF a caste is? And I doubt the accused is telling HR "yeah, I discriminate on caste, got a problem with that?" - they might instead be saying "some of his behaviour towards me has made me uncomfortable, I don't want to complain formally I just think everyone would be happier if we were on different projects" I can see why a person might decide that's not a minefield they're equipped to navigate, and pass the issue over to HR.
  - civilized 4y ago
    I mean, certainly gather information and follow due process, but once it's clear what occurred, there is no question that a person who refuses to work with coworkers based on lower caste does not belong in any workplace with lower caste workers. And anyone who resists that principle is a co-conspirator in caste-based oppression and should leave as well.
    - azinman2 4y ago
      Why can’t they work together, but force to not discriminate?
      - civilized 4y ago
        Working relationships are complex and require a lot of trust. You can't just wave a magic wand over two people and say "discrimination be gone". The bigot can and will always find ways to harm the victim without accountability.
        azinman2 4y ago
        But we already do this for all other protected classes.
        civilized 4y ago
        I don't even know what this means, let alone if it is true or not. How do you "force not to discriminate"? How is this currently enforced in companies?
        azinman2 4y ago
        Well if you discriminate say based on race or gender, you’re fired. As people know they therefore can’t do this, they need to keep their feelings to themselves and deal with it. The GP said: > there is no question that a person who refuses to work with coworkers based on lower caste does not belong in any workplace with lower caste workers Which I read as separate castes if they will discriminate. That’s like saying separate race or gender if someone will discriminate. That’s currently not how it works for other protected classes.

Mo3 4y ago

Yeah. "Caste", "Color", doesn't matter, all the same shit. If someone sees a problem there, they're unfit for a lot of other stuff.

codyb 4y ago
My good friend's Indian and she loved when I described the caste system as "just racism for people who look alike". Groups gonna group... it's good to see there's some pushback on the bullshit.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  As usual it breaks down to tribalism and fear of "the other". It can cause racism, religious persecution, sexism, etc.

civilized 4y ago

Along with anyone who found this a difficult decision once the facts were clear. People with these beliefs don't belong anywhere in society where they can oppress others. Just as white people who think blacks are beneath them do not belong in any setting where they can affect a black person.

michaelt 4y ago
I'm not surprised some people found it a difficult decision to be honest. I mean, discovering a new form of discrimination, which only Indians can perform? And none of your fellow managers have ever heard of this stuff? And you don't know WTF a caste is? And I doubt the accused is telling HR "yeah, I discriminate on caste, got a problem with that?" - they might instead be saying "some of his behaviour towards me has made me uncomfortable, I don't want to complain formally I just think everyone would be happier if we were on different projects" I can see why a person might decide that's not a minefield they're equipped to navigate, and pass the issue over to HR.
- civilized 4y ago
  I mean, certainly gather information and follow due process, but once it's clear what occurred, there is no question that a person who refuses to work with coworkers based on lower caste does not belong in any workplace with lower caste workers. And anyone who resists that principle is a co-conspirator in caste-based oppression and should leave as well.
  - azinman2 4y ago
    Why can’t they work together, but force to not discriminate?
    - civilized 4y ago
      Working relationships are complex and require a lot of trust. You can't just wave a magic wand over two people and say "discrimination be gone". The bigot can and will always find ways to harm the victim without accountability.
      - azinman2 4y ago
        But we already do this for all other protected classes.
        civilized 4y ago
        I don't even know what this means, let alone if it is true or not. How do you "force not to discriminate"? How is this currently enforced in companies?
        azinman2 4y ago
        Well if you discriminate say based on race or gender, you’re fired. As people know they therefore can’t do this, they need to keep their feelings to themselves and deal with it. The GP said: > there is no question that a person who refuses to work with coworkers based on lower caste does not belong in any workplace with lower caste workers Which I read as separate castes if they will discriminate. That’s like saying separate race or gender if someone will discriminate. That’s currently not how it works for other protected classes.