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Are you sure? I’ve been seeing numerous headlines suggesting that you don’t actually feel that way - in fact no one does, and everyone really wants to go back

Are you sure? I’ve been seeing numerous headlines suggesting that you don’t actually feel that way - in fact no one does, and everyone really wants to go back to the office. Additionally, fabric of society, progress, puppy dogs, and America. Think of the children (during your commute.) We’re in this cubicle together. (Management thought it would cut costs.)

eloisius 4y ago
You get cubicles? Fancy. My last corporate gig was one step away from hot desking us. Everyone in non-engineering roles had already been moved to hot desks and a generous, adorable little cartoon bear decorated cubby to store your personal items. Engineering raised such a fuss about setting up monitors and whatnot they we stalled the full rollout for a spell, but the writing was on the wall. Imagine that. Forcing employees into an office, but not even guaranteeing a desk. It’s hardly better than going to a cowork or even a coffee shop.
- richev 4y ago
  My expectation is that hot desks will become the norm, as companies will (in time) decrease their office space in line with the % of the workforce who are actually in the office on an "average" day.
  - catchnear4321 4y ago
    At some point companies may even try having some employees offer to work from somewhere other than the office, like a coffee shop or even home if you absolutely had to, to deal with any over-crowding issues that come up from this. You can’t really work in the office if it is over-subscribed. Can’t have people standing around waiting for desks. (Hmmm… or conference rooms for that matter…) Sure you won’t get the in-office perks, but the company appreciates your understanding.
    - throwaway787544 4y ago
      Starbucks should just open co-working spaces. It's literally just a Starbucks but with monitors, keyboards and mice.
      - theshrike79 4y ago
        They could call it something work-related, like ... WeWork? :D
      - mirkules 4y ago
        It would be cheaper for Starbucks to open a cafe in every office instead. And we've come full circle!
      - chrischen 4y ago
        I actually don't know any coworking spaces that provide monitors, much less keyboards and mice, so there's an idea to capitalize on.
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  - ulfw 4y ago
    Hot desks are about the dumbest thing there is. Then why go to the office at all? So you can sit next to random people on an uncomfortable table/chair for hours?
    - eastbound 4y ago
      They’ll provide the family picture on the desk, to make it more personalized.
      - deleted 4y ago
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    - thrown_22 4y ago
      So you can have a meeting in person and/or work on hardware that's on site. That's the only reason to go to the office these days.
    - Hamuko 4y ago
      Here we are now really only going to the office if there's some collaborative work that would benefit from face-to-face. And in that you don't really need your own desk since you're probably going to be spending most of your time in a meeting room anyways. I think there's some people still going to the office daily and I imagine they basically have their own dedicated desk at this point.
- throwaway787544 4y ago
  Coffee shops are so much better than offices. The only time I get interrupted is to ask me if the seat next to me is taken. I can go to any one I want to at any time. I am not required to stay there for any length of time. The cute barista remembers my order. (Ok, that last one's a lie, but we can't have everything)
  - chrischen 4y ago
    Coffee shops are nice but only for short periods of work. It's definitely untenable if everyone starts to stay for more than 3 hours.
    - arvinsim 4y ago
      Co-working spaces are basically coffee shops that allow you to stay for a lot longer.
  - curiousigor 4y ago
    I guess you don't have any meetings during the workday. Most coffee shops are just to noisy to have anything close to a meeting. That's at least my experience.
    - throwaway787544 4y ago
      Most meetings I go to are superfluous and can be replaced with a slack thread; I think the noise would encourage fewer (and shorter) meetings. Stack them all up at either the beginning or ending of the day and then go to a coffee shop for a few hours.
- AlotOfReading 4y ago
  I'm dealing with a particularly stupid inter-departmental fight over hot desking right now. I'm not in the office enough to "justify a dedicated desk", but I also have lots of sensitive hardware others aren't allowed to touch covering "my" desk. I attempted to compromise with the relevant department by suggesting that we just mark the desk as permanently reserved the way other teams have, but that was rejected because "rules say...", as was API access to reserve it automatically. The joys of bureaucracy...
  - notimetorelax 4y ago
    Excuses that API will book it automatically and there’s nothing else to do are just that - excuses.
    - AlotOfReading 4y ago
      Oh no, it's worse than that. I can't even get API access to book things automatically. I would have to manually log in and do it every day, and there's only so far ahead I could book. Can't script/screen scrape that process either because the site is behind SSO, so I would truly need API keys to access it automatically.
tamrix 4y ago
Who wants to spend all day and night in the same place unless you live in a mansion? Don't people get sick of staring at the same four walls all day?
- jchw 4y ago
  Yes. Thankfully, laptops are fairly portable.
  - Yeroc 4y ago
    Sometimes I even risk going outside.
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    And wifi is really common too!
- Shank 4y ago
  The trick is to have separate work/home spaces. Most fulltime remotes, myself included, either have a dedicated work-only area or work from coffee shops and the like. The whole point is flexibility! If you don’t want an office, don’t have one. If you want one, have one. But jobs that force you into a specific office remove the choice.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  I'll take the same four walls over the same eight walls plus two hours of traffic per day.
- raydev 4y ago
  I can only understand this sentiment if you're stuck in a single room/studio apartment. Many of us have houses, apartments, or condos that aren't anywhere near the size of a mansion.
- saagarjha 4y ago
  Four walls and some people you care about, sure.
- 4y ago
jchw 4y ago
I love when I read headlines like "Actually people who get paid less are happier and more productive." Yeah sure, maybe if you include the middle management staff in your regressions.
- neuronic 4y ago
  I have never ever seen any headline like this.
zxcvbn4038 4y ago
Jamie Dimon, isn’t your office a 2600 square foot apartment on Park Ave?
miles 4y ago
> I’ve been seeing numerous headlines suggesting that you don’t actually feel that way - in fact no one does, and everyone really wants to go back to the office. A Full Return to the Office? Does ‘Never’ Work for You? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/business/return-to-work-office-plans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/business/return-to-work-o... Why the return to the office isn’t working https://www.vox.com/recode/23161501/return-to-office-remote-not-working https://www.vox.com/recode/23161501/return-to-office-remote-... The idea of working in the office, all day, every day? No thanks, say workers https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1102744672/remote-work-from-home-return-to-office-covid-pandemic-workers-apple-google https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1102744672/remote-work-from-h... Full return to office is 'dead,' experts say — and remote is only growing https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/full-return-work-dead-experts-say-remote-only-growing-rcna11323 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/full-return-work-de... Why no one wants to go back to the office https://www.ajc.com/life/opinion-why-no-one-wants-to-go-back-to-the-office/G6STVLXU4RHE5FF4MGRAIKKY5I/ https://www.ajc.com/life/opinion-why-no-one-wants-to-go-back... Nobody Wants to go Back to the Office https://medium.com/@coloradogirl750/nobody-wants-to-go-back-to-the-office-8d6b09c01462 https://medium.com/@coloradogirl750/nobody-wants-to-go-back-...
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  Is it link sharing time? https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lonely-office-is-bad-for-america-work-from-home-polarization-professionalism-ambition-mentorship-unity-friendship-zoom-11659033821 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lonely-office-is-bad-for-am... https://hbr.org/2021/07/why-you-may-actually-want-to-go-back-to-the-office https://hbr.org/2021/07/why-you-may-actually-want-to-go-back... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/therockettman_why-you-should-want-to-go-back-to-the-office-activity-6962871914771931136-9Dig https://www.linkedin.com/posts/therockettman_why-you-should-... https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-to-go-back-to-the-office-dont-wait-on-the-cdc-11619986366 https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-to-go-back-to-the-office-d... https://news.yahoo.com/no-one-wants-back-office-110038268.html https://news.yahoo.com/no-one-wants-back-office-110038268.ht... https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/america-needs-to-go-back-to-work-in-person/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/america-needs-to-go-back-to-wo... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/01/why-youll-want-to-be-back-in-office-eventually-behavior-expert-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/01/why-youll-want-to-be-back-in...
Ntrails 4y ago
> in fact no one does, and everyone really wants to go back to the office. That's me. I did really want to go back and am back 5 days a week. It's great :)
strikelaserclaw 4y ago
Anyone with two brain cells can write a stupid article on their "blog" now a days and sound like an authority. My workplace in the bay area already has return to office for a while, guess how many people are showing up week to week? Last time i was in the office a couple days ago, it felt like a ghost town. This is the "people" voting with their actions and those actions tell me that everyone (including me) favors WFH much more than slogging to the office.
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  The stupid blog posts will continue until attendance improves. - Management

eloisius 4y ago

You get cubicles? Fancy. My last corporate gig was one step away from hot desking us. Everyone in non-engineering roles had already been moved to hot desks and a generous, adorable little cartoon bear decorated cubby to store your personal items. Engineering raised such a fuss about setting up monitors and whatnot they we stalled the full rollout for a spell, but the writing was on the wall. Imagine that. Forcing employees into an office, but not even guaranteeing a desk. It’s hardly better than going to a cowork or even a coffee shop.

richev 4y ago
My expectation is that hot desks will become the norm, as companies will (in time) decrease their office space in line with the % of the workforce who are actually in the office on an "average" day.
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  At some point companies may even try having some employees offer to work from somewhere other than the office, like a coffee shop or even home if you absolutely had to, to deal with any over-crowding issues that come up from this. You can’t really work in the office if it is over-subscribed. Can’t have people standing around waiting for desks. (Hmmm… or conference rooms for that matter…) Sure you won’t get the in-office perks, but the company appreciates your understanding.
  - throwaway787544 4y ago
    Starbucks should just open co-working spaces. It's literally just a Starbucks but with monitors, keyboards and mice.
    - theshrike79 4y ago
      They could call it something work-related, like ... WeWork? :D
    - mirkules 4y ago
      It would be cheaper for Starbucks to open a cafe in every office instead. And we've come full circle!
    - chrischen 4y ago
      I actually don't know any coworking spaces that provide monitors, much less keyboards and mice, so there's an idea to capitalize on.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- ulfw 4y ago
  Hot desks are about the dumbest thing there is. Then why go to the office at all? So you can sit next to random people on an uncomfortable table/chair for hours?
  - eastbound 4y ago
    They’ll provide the family picture on the desk, to make it more personalized.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    So you can have a meeting in person and/or work on hardware that's on site. That's the only reason to go to the office these days.
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    Here we are now really only going to the office if there's some collaborative work that would benefit from face-to-face. And in that you don't really need your own desk since you're probably going to be spending most of your time in a meeting room anyways. I think there's some people still going to the office daily and I imagine they basically have their own dedicated desk at this point.
throwaway787544 4y ago
Coffee shops are so much better than offices. The only time I get interrupted is to ask me if the seat next to me is taken. I can go to any one I want to at any time. I am not required to stay there for any length of time. The cute barista remembers my order. (Ok, that last one's a lie, but we can't have everything)
- chrischen 4y ago
  Coffee shops are nice but only for short periods of work. It's definitely untenable if everyone starts to stay for more than 3 hours.
  - arvinsim 4y ago
    Co-working spaces are basically coffee shops that allow you to stay for a lot longer.
- curiousigor 4y ago
  I guess you don't have any meetings during the workday. Most coffee shops are just to noisy to have anything close to a meeting. That's at least my experience.
  - throwaway787544 4y ago
    Most meetings I go to are superfluous and can be replaced with a slack thread; I think the noise would encourage fewer (and shorter) meetings. Stack them all up at either the beginning or ending of the day and then go to a coffee shop for a few hours.
AlotOfReading 4y ago
I'm dealing with a particularly stupid inter-departmental fight over hot desking right now. I'm not in the office enough to "justify a dedicated desk", but I also have lots of sensitive hardware others aren't allowed to touch covering "my" desk. I attempted to compromise with the relevant department by suggesting that we just mark the desk as permanently reserved the way other teams have, but that was rejected because "rules say...", as was API access to reserve it automatically. The joys of bureaucracy...
- notimetorelax 4y ago
  Excuses that API will book it automatically and there’s nothing else to do are just that - excuses.
  - AlotOfReading 4y ago
    Oh no, it's worse than that. I can't even get API access to book things automatically. I would have to manually log in and do it every day, and there's only so far ahead I could book. Can't script/screen scrape that process either because the site is behind SSO, so I would truly need API keys to access it automatically.

tamrix 4y ago

Who wants to spend all day and night in the same place unless you live in a mansion? Don't people get sick of staring at the same four walls all day?

jchw 4y ago
Yes. Thankfully, laptops are fairly portable.
- Yeroc 4y ago
  Sometimes I even risk going outside.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  And wifi is really common too!
Shank 4y ago
The trick is to have separate work/home spaces. Most fulltime remotes, myself included, either have a dedicated work-only area or work from coffee shops and the like. The whole point is flexibility! If you don’t want an office, don’t have one. If you want one, have one. But jobs that force you into a specific office remove the choice.
bluefirebrand 4y ago
I'll take the same four walls over the same eight walls plus two hours of traffic per day.
raydev 4y ago
I can only understand this sentiment if you're stuck in a single room/studio apartment. Many of us have houses, apartments, or condos that aren't anywhere near the size of a mansion.
saagarjha 4y ago
Four walls and some people you care about, sure.
4y ago

jchw 4y ago

I love when I read headlines like "Actually people who get paid less are happier and more productive." Yeah sure, maybe if you include the middle management staff in your regressions.

neuronic 4y ago
I have never ever seen any headline like this.

zxcvbn4038 4y ago

Jamie Dimon, isn’t your office a 2600 square foot apartment on Park Ave?

miles 4y ago

> I’ve been seeing numerous headlines suggesting that you don’t actually feel that way - in fact no one does, and everyone really wants to go back to the office. A Full Return to the Office? Does ‘Never’ Work for You? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/business/return-to-work-office-plans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/business/return-to-work-o... Why the return to the office isn’t working https://www.vox.com/recode/23161501/return-to-office-remote-not-working https://www.vox.com/recode/23161501/return-to-office-remote-... The idea of working in the office, all day, every day? No thanks, say workers https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1102744672/remote-work-from-home-return-to-office-covid-pandemic-workers-apple-google https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1102744672/remote-work-from-h... Full return to office is 'dead,' experts say — and remote is only growing https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/full-return-work-dead-experts-say-remote-only-growing-rcna11323 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/full-return-work-de... Why no one wants to go back to the office https://www.ajc.com/life/opinion-why-no-one-wants-to-go-back-to-the-office/G6STVLXU4RHE5FF4MGRAIKKY5I/ https://www.ajc.com/life/opinion-why-no-one-wants-to-go-back... Nobody Wants to go Back to the Office https://medium.com/@coloradogirl750/nobody-wants-to-go-back-to-the-office-8d6b09c01462 https://medium.com/@coloradogirl750/nobody-wants-to-go-back-...

catchnear4321 4y ago
Is it link sharing time? https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lonely-office-is-bad-for-america-work-from-home-polarization-professionalism-ambition-mentorship-unity-friendship-zoom-11659033821 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lonely-office-is-bad-for-am... https://hbr.org/2021/07/why-you-may-actually-want-to-go-back-to-the-office https://hbr.org/2021/07/why-you-may-actually-want-to-go-back... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/therockettman_why-you-should-want-to-go-back-to-the-office-activity-6962871914771931136-9Dig https://www.linkedin.com/posts/therockettman_why-you-should-... https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-to-go-back-to-the-office-dont-wait-on-the-cdc-11619986366 https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-to-go-back-to-the-office-d... https://news.yahoo.com/no-one-wants-back-office-110038268.html https://news.yahoo.com/no-one-wants-back-office-110038268.ht... https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/america-needs-to-go-back-to-work-in-person/ https://nypost.com/2022/06/07/america-needs-to-go-back-to-wo... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/01/why-youll-want-to-be-back-in-office-eventually-behavior-expert-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/01/why-youll-want-to-be-back-in...

Ntrails 4y ago

> in fact no one does, and everyone really wants to go back to the office. That's me. I did really want to go back and am back 5 days a week. It's great :)

strikelaserclaw 4y ago

Anyone with two brain cells can write a stupid article on their "blog" now a days and sound like an authority. My workplace in the bay area already has return to office for a while, guess how many people are showing up week to week? Last time i was in the office a couple days ago, it felt like a ghost town. This is the "people" voting with their actions and those actions tell me that everyone (including me) favors WFH much more than slogging to the office.

catchnear4321 4y ago
The stupid blog posts will continue until attendance improves. - Management