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That's totally OK... Apple doesn't need to hire you to thrive.

by spoonjim 4y ago

emptyparadise 4y ago
Apple doesn't need you to defend them either.
- spoonjim 4y ago
  I’m not defending them. This is just a market transaction. Apple is hiring from a smaller supply pool but outside of a Jony Ive level VP there is nobody they really need to hire.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    > I’m not defending them. You’re literally defending them and creating halo effect around them, lol.
    - spoonjim 4y ago
      I couldn’t possibly care less what does or doesn’t happen to Apple. I’m just saying that “I won’t work at Apple!” hardly has any impact on Apple and thus on its decisionmaking.
      - washbrain 4y ago
        "I won't work at company because...." Is a useful signal for other folks. I have a long list of companies I won't work for thanks to people sharing their individual experiences and opinions. So maybe if you don't feel swayed, just move on next time?
ultrarunner 4y ago
Last time I went to work in the office I was inundated with chatter, interruption, and distraction. People walked by and said hi and then messaged me from their desks anyway. I had to leave early because there were actually things things that needed to be done. Maybe Apple has this problem sorted (and strangely I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they have a no unapproved talking rule implemented) but the simple fact is that efficient and productive work will win in the end, and that isn’t necessarily defined by commuting to a building and being trapped there between certain hours.
- onion2k 4y ago
  Apple aren't dumb and they know exactly what impact this will have. I suspect this is Apple cutting staff without saying they're cutting staff.
  - linkjuice4all 4y ago
    There's a couple of factors that companies might be taking into account when considering RTO - We can fire people that don't want to come back (avoids legal issues with layoffs/firing and directly saves money) - Managers need to see people working and be seen working (people justifying their position - but hard to say if this actually saves money) - We're paying for office space (Apple just paid a lot and can't just give up their lease) - The C-suite's mansions are close by and they need to visibly show they're working/earning their pay Few of these things make sense for a company engaged in profit generation - except getting rid of people and amortizing a fixed/sunk cost. Are there any other reasons that "someone" would want people back in person? Is it really that much more productive to make people get ready for an office (cleaning up, putting on appropriate clothing, etc) and commuting in?
    - zxcvbn4038 4y ago
      Apple can turn their headquarters into a palace for Harry and Meghan! No, on second thought that would be a bigger waste of space then leaving it empty. :)
weq 4y ago
Then tell the dammed FANNG recruiters to keep to the collage kids and stop with the linkedin. They need devs to grow their revenue, these companies were built on attracting talent. That was the 00s. Gone are the days where people were gullable enough to think have an inhouse chef was for the employees benifit. lets face it, bigtech would tape you to a chair, itubate both ends and pump processed nutriants through your system if they had a choice.
- bl0b 4y ago
  Ha! The soldier in white from catch-22
strikelaserclaw 4y ago
It apparently didn't need Ian Goodfellow either.

That's totally OK... Apple doesn't need to hire you to thrive.

emptyparadise 4y ago

Apple doesn't need you to defend them either.

spoonjim 4y ago
I’m not defending them. This is just a market transaction. Apple is hiring from a smaller supply pool but outside of a Jony Ive level VP there is nobody they really need to hire.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  > I’m not defending them. You’re literally defending them and creating halo effect around them, lol.
  - spoonjim 4y ago
    I couldn’t possibly care less what does or doesn’t happen to Apple. I’m just saying that “I won’t work at Apple!” hardly has any impact on Apple and thus on its decisionmaking.
    - washbrain 4y ago
      "I won't work at company because...." Is a useful signal for other folks. I have a long list of companies I won't work for thanks to people sharing their individual experiences and opinions. So maybe if you don't feel swayed, just move on next time?

ultrarunner 4y ago

Last time I went to work in the office I was inundated with chatter, interruption, and distraction. People walked by and said hi and then messaged me from their desks anyway. I had to leave early because there were actually things things that needed to be done. Maybe Apple has this problem sorted (and strangely I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they have a no unapproved talking rule implemented) but the simple fact is that efficient and productive work will win in the end, and that isn’t necessarily defined by commuting to a building and being trapped there between certain hours.

onion2k 4y ago
Apple aren't dumb and they know exactly what impact this will have. I suspect this is Apple cutting staff without saying they're cutting staff.
- linkjuice4all 4y ago
  There's a couple of factors that companies might be taking into account when considering RTO - We can fire people that don't want to come back (avoids legal issues with layoffs/firing and directly saves money) - Managers need to see people working and be seen working (people justifying their position - but hard to say if this actually saves money) - We're paying for office space (Apple just paid a lot and can't just give up their lease) - The C-suite's mansions are close by and they need to visibly show they're working/earning their pay Few of these things make sense for a company engaged in profit generation - except getting rid of people and amortizing a fixed/sunk cost. Are there any other reasons that "someone" would want people back in person? Is it really that much more productive to make people get ready for an office (cleaning up, putting on appropriate clothing, etc) and commuting in?
  - zxcvbn4038 4y ago
    Apple can turn their headquarters into a palace for Harry and Meghan! No, on second thought that would be a bigger waste of space then leaving it empty. :)

weq 4y ago

Then tell the dammed FANNG recruiters to keep to the collage kids and stop with the linkedin. They need devs to grow their revenue, these companies were built on attracting talent. That was the 00s. Gone are the days where people were gullable enough to think have an inhouse chef was for the employees benifit. lets face it, bigtech would tape you to a chair, itubate both ends and pump processed nutriants through your system if they had a choice.

bl0b 4y ago
Ha! The soldier in white from catch-22

strikelaserclaw 4y ago

It apparently didn't need Ian Goodfellow either.