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and we hear a lot of stories of ppl from other "free healthcare" OECD countries having to come here for decent care. i'd rather a system where i can get better

and we hear a lot of stories of ppl from other "free healthcare" OECD countries having to come here for decent care. i'd rather a system where i can get better by paying more than a system where i'm at the mercy of some bureaucrat or waiting list. if you want to reduce costs: 1. stop giving the AMA a monopoly. ban state and local regulations on how much healthcare can be built and where. 2. require posting prices and give it teeth. 3. make it easier to import cheap generics from other countries. 4. enable nurse practitioners to do more stuff. 5. enable more clinics with clear prices for stuff like this one where i can go their site and see it's $6215 for a bilteral knee arthroscopy: https://surgerycenterok.com/?procedure_category=knee#jump https://surgerycenterok.com/?procedure_category=knee#jump because very few of the healthcare $ are spent on emergency procedures where ppl don't have time to choose and information is how you make markets efficient.

ceejayoz 4y ago
> and we hear a lot of stories of ppl from other "free healthcare" OECD countries having to come here for decent care You'll hear that in both directions, to the point where the CDC has a page for Americans seeking care abroad, typically due to exorbitant costs here. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism > i'd rather a system where i can get better by paying more than a system where i'm at the mercy of some bureaucrat or waiting list. There are very few countries in which this is the case; you can opt for private healthcare in Europe, Australia, etc. if you like. There's simply also a specific, reasonable level of care available to all. (The idea that the US lacks bureaucrats and waiting lists is, incidentally, funny to most folks who've tried to see a specialist on short order, or had insurance deny coverage for something.)
- collegeburner 4y ago
  yeah but notice it's not people traveling to OECD free healthcare countries. it's mostly going to cheaper developing countries with clinics a lot like the oklahoma one i linked that specialize in procedures and offer them at reasonable prices. private care over there just isn't the same. and yeah i dealt with insurance and specialists before and it sucks but at least money makes a difference and more money makes more difference and it's not just "lol get on the list and stfu"
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > yeah but notice it's not people traveling to OECD free healthcare countries "Medical tourists from the United States commonly travel to Mexico and Canada" Canada isn't an OECD nation? > at least money makes a difference "The rich get healthcare before needier poor people who've been waiting longer" seems like a negative to me, on a societal level.

ceejayoz 4y ago

> and we hear a lot of stories of ppl from other "free healthcare" OECD countries having to come here for decent care You'll hear that in both directions, to the point where the CDC has a page for Americans seeking care abroad, typically due to exorbitant costs here. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism > i'd rather a system where i can get better by paying more than a system where i'm at the mercy of some bureaucrat or waiting list. There are very few countries in which this is the case; you can opt for private healthcare in Europe, Australia, etc. if you like. There's simply also a specific, reasonable level of care available to all. (The idea that the US lacks bureaucrats and waiting lists is, incidentally, funny to most folks who've tried to see a specialist on short order, or had insurance deny coverage for something.)

collegeburner 4y ago
yeah but notice it's not people traveling to OECD free healthcare countries. it's mostly going to cheaper developing countries with clinics a lot like the oklahoma one i linked that specialize in procedures and offer them at reasonable prices. private care over there just isn't the same. and yeah i dealt with insurance and specialists before and it sucks but at least money makes a difference and more money makes more difference and it's not just "lol get on the list and stfu"
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > yeah but notice it's not people traveling to OECD free healthcare countries "Medical tourists from the United States commonly travel to Mexico and Canada" Canada isn't an OECD nation? > at least money makes a difference "The rich get healthcare before needier poor people who've been waiting longer" seems like a negative to me, on a societal level.