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Sadly, I think Mozilla is beyond saving at this point. I was a long time Firefox user until 2021 - since inception, and Netscape before that. I've since stopped
by 0xbadc0de5 4y ago
Sadly, I think Mozilla is beyond saving at this point. I was a long time Firefox user until 2021 - since inception, and Netscape before that. I've since stopped using it in favor of Brave - which actually delivers what Firefox had been promising. Mozilla's been hopelessly mismanaged for well over a decade and has been bleeding users the entire time. This is doubly unfortunate because they do have some genuinely solid tech and one of the only independent rendering engines. The CEO should have been shown the door back in 2012.
- knewter 4y agoAlmost like ousting Brendan Eich was an incredibly stupid move.
- pipeline_peak 4y agoBeing a prominent figure in tech and donating $1,000 to the campaign against equal marriage in California was an incredibly stupid move. It’s not 1998, he didn’t stand a chance.
- _-david-_ 4y agoI think it is important to note he donated money on the side that got 52% of voters. Its not like he was in a massive minority.
- tuckerman 4y agoI don't think the popularity or lack thereof of the side changes whether or not someone would be willing to work for Eich. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but are not entitled to avoid scrutiny and I think he made the right call stepping down. I would personally never consider working at a company where he was in my management chain nor would I champion a browser from a company he leads.
- _-david-_ 4y agoWhy? Is it that you don't want to work for anybody that holds different views or that you are afraid that he might discriminate? As far as I know there were no accusations of Eich treating anybody differently. Just because he opposed something doesn't mean any worker under him was discriminated against. Do you work for yourself? If not, do you know the views held by every person you work for? Do you know for a fact that none of them hold similar views to Eich and just haven't been "caught"? My point on the majority position is that you quite possibly work with and for people who hold the same views as Eich.
- tuckerman 4y agoFor certain issues, this one included, it’s because I would never work with someone with those views. Being against marriage equality is one of those disqualifying views. I do work for myself, but in previous roles if I had found out about that, I would have made a change, but I’m reasonably confident it wasn’t the case in my managers or leadership. That said, perhaps someone was secretly against marriage equality, but I’d rather work with a bigot that feels they need to keep their hateful opinions a secret than with a bigot that feels they can be open about it.
- _-david-_ 4y agoIf you work for yourself do you have any clients? I assume you do? Do you know if any of then have the same views? If you don't care or are willing to take their money then I don't see any difference. Do you give your potential clients a political test before you work with them? I may be misremembering, but I don't think Eich was deliberately public about his support / donations. Political donations are public, but its not like he made a blog post or something. This is for all intents and purposes a private action.
- tuckerman 4y agoThis isn’t about just any old political views, it’s about the right to marry the person you love. If you found out he was against interracial marriage, would we still be arguing this? I think being against marriage equality makes Eich a bigot, plain and simple. I don’t spend my time going around trying to unmask bigots but he had the unfortunate luck to have his hateful views exposed. Not only was his previous donation exposed, he subsequently made it clear he still felt that way.
- Ekaros 4y agoAnd why should that matter? Did he embezzle that money from Mozilla or something?
- pipeline_peak 4y agoIt’s nothing to do with right or wrong. It’s a controversial opinion, he was foolish to expose himself.
- origin_path 4y agoGreat. Because if there's one group of people we definitely want penalizing controversial opinions it's the people who make our web browsers.
- pipeline_peak 4y agoPolitics, military, business, academia, they’re in your hair and wearing your clothes : ^ )
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- egberts1 4y agoNot sure if that comment is a stance to oppress free speech.
- pipeline_peak 4y agoIf you want to survive, you gotta watch what you say. Life isn’t some Alex Jones podcast.
- egberts1 4y agoSpoken like during pre-WWII Germany. Must be ok then (for you).
- pipeline_peak 4y agolol, a bit melodramatic no? I'm not enforcing anything, I'm saying that in times of the woke movement, you have to be careful, people have ruined their lives. If you don't understand that, there's nothing else for me to say. Boxing me into some authoritarian stance doesn't really help your argument. Then again, I'm not really sure what your argument is, seems more like pigheaded trolling. If anything, supporting against same sex marriage sounds pretty damn oppressive, but to each his own.....I guess?
- egberts1 4y agoThat’s why we have this Republic, an advanced form of simple democracy, that aims to protect the minorities. Oppressing any side of free speech is bad, m-Kay.
- tuckerman 4y agoEich stepped down even when the board asked him to stay on in some capacity. I think it had a lot more to do with losing the trust of the rank and file than a business decision related to appearances.
- froggysnail 4y agoAnd we should not forget the Mozilla call for censorship, cyber-bullying and narrative control on big platforms [1]. I'm glad Firefox is dying, the web is safer without extremist actors like this. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...