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Demanding opening and tolerating programmatic access to an extent would probably be a good thing tbh, even if from accessibility PoV. Make it opt-in with advan

Demanding opening and tolerating programmatic access to an extent would probably be a good thing tbh, even if from accessibility PoV. Make it opt-in with advanced user verification if you want to fight spam, not simply blanket ban everyone whose data you can't monetize easily :shrug:

tptacek 4y ago
It's not just spam; in fact, spam might be the least of it. Part of the reason companies require specific clients is that doing so makes it easier for them to build the product and deliver the specific value that they've decided they want to deliver.
- RobbieGM 4y ago
  So, let's force that "value" on every user rather than let them build the experience they actually like?
  - tptacek 4y ago
    Sure? Companies do get to dictate things to their customers: they can build things, or not build them. Customers don't get that control: their recourse is to the market.
    - tdy_err 4y ago
      I don't like YouTube's UI therefore I should… use Vimeo?
    - RobbieGM 4y ago
      They absolutely should get that control though. The only thing preventing them from having it, often, are artificial limitations. Don't place too much faith in "the market" to fix problems.
- Jetrel 4y ago
  The biggest plus is that — like Chrome, if they decide they made a mistake, they can pivot a change that many of their users would disagree with, and force it on the whole ecosystem immediately. Chrome has done this a lot, and almost all of it has been security-related stuff that's been jammed down our throats. And sure enough - the medicine has been quite distasteful, but it was good for the patient. A lot of this stuff is UI-related; it's things that aren't a reskin, but they're a major shakeup of how the entire UI works, and would break all other clients using a framework. The problem with "truly" federated protocols is that every design fuckup is preserved in amber for eternity.

tptacek 4y ago

It's not just spam; in fact, spam might be the least of it. Part of the reason companies require specific clients is that doing so makes it easier for them to build the product and deliver the specific value that they've decided they want to deliver.

RobbieGM 4y ago
So, let's force that "value" on every user rather than let them build the experience they actually like?
- tptacek 4y ago
  Sure? Companies do get to dictate things to their customers: they can build things, or not build them. Customers don't get that control: their recourse is to the market.
  - tdy_err 4y ago
    I don't like YouTube's UI therefore I should… use Vimeo?
  - RobbieGM 4y ago
    They absolutely should get that control though. The only thing preventing them from having it, often, are artificial limitations. Don't place too much faith in "the market" to fix problems.
Jetrel 4y ago
The biggest plus is that — like Chrome, if they decide they made a mistake, they can pivot a change that many of their users would disagree with, and force it on the whole ecosystem immediately. Chrome has done this a lot, and almost all of it has been security-related stuff that's been jammed down our throats. And sure enough - the medicine has been quite distasteful, but it was good for the patient. A lot of this stuff is UI-related; it's things that aren't a reskin, but they're a major shakeup of how the entire UI works, and would break all other clients using a framework. The problem with "truly" federated protocols is that every design fuckup is preserved in amber for eternity.