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Why would it? Seriously a large proportion even of the users bitten by this will still run to buy the next shiny apple device they release and then there is th

Why would it? Seriously a large proportion even of the users bitten by this will still run to buy the next shiny apple device they release and then there is the other part of the users who are not affected and will blame the affected users for doing something wrong, because apple can't be in the wrong. I never understood the personal attachment and identification that some brands elicit it people (but credit to Apple to achieving this, and I don't mean this ironically. They must be doing something right to gather such a following).

noizejoy 4y ago
Benn Jordan just made a nice video explaining how brand loyalty is based on a deeply human trait: https://youtu.be/HqMMRh3VRT8 https://youtu.be/HqMMRh3VRT8
pattle 4y ago
I think having a strong personal attachment to a brand is actually pretty normal. If you spend a large chunk of your time using a companies products and those products make your easier/better it's understandable.
jamwil 4y ago
I don’t know that its what Apple does right but that the broader PC market continues to shoot itself in the foot. Little things like pre-installed bloatware and the inability to figure out smooth trackpad scrolling (still!) keep me firmly on Apple devices. And more recently, the M1 platform is remarkable, so I tip my hat to them for that and doing the basic stuff right (mostly—there have been blemishes obviously).
- kayodelycaon 4y ago
  What floors me is I've had several hilariously cheap Chromebooks and they all have better trackpads than every single PC I've owned. How!?
  - bzzzt 4y ago
    Simple: because a single entity has responsibility for the entire product. PC's are built out of software from Microsoft, hardware from a random supplier (and probably a contractor who agreed to write a driver in a week), and a assembler/supplier like Dell or Lenovo who go for the lowest margin so can't and won't fix any of the mistakes of the other two parties.
8ytecoder 4y ago
It’s also because a good chunk of people also lie to get something fixed under warranty. Didn’t the other weak the article that rose to the front page talk in detail about the various frauds? I wish Apple wasn’t like this and spent time investigating each defect accurately to identify and issue “recalls”. They sure have the money to do it. But like every other capitalistic company - including the ones that put a 1 ton missile on the road - they fix something when they have a financial incentive to do it. Class action lawsuits are a good incentive. Loss of goodwill is a hard to quantify but important one as well. And I’m sure there’s a suit somewhere in Apple spaceship doing these calculations.
tomxor 4y ago
> credit to Apple to achieving this, and I don't mean this ironically. They must be doing something right to gather such a following Credit in a disgusting kind of way yes. A skill you can only admire abstractly. This kind of thing has been going on for well over a decade now, the reality distortion field that Jobs left behind is very real... It's China level of denialism, pretty sure Apple's internal media control slogan is "never admit fault, deny everything, at all cost" - even big fat class action cost, because that's cheaper than breaking the delusion of the pretty, perfect device with a massive markup. Once you've been burned once and they disrespect your intelligence you abandon them if you have any sense... but to be fair to others, some people become entrenched in the ecosystem and effectively have lockin, many of those poor souls do what any human does to protect their sanity in an impossible scenario, they lie to themselves to justify the economic and emotional cost to them - which ironically helps sustain the delusion for everyone else. Although maybe the single benefit of the big apps turning everything into a cloud subscription is that it reduces this somewhat. But everyone has limits, I'm convinced there is a critical mass Apple will disenchant where the illusion will finally be broken for everyone and they burn their image. Since the company is well and truly into the milking stage I'm sure this will happen sooner than later - Investors have limited life spans even if companies do not.
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Gigachad 4y ago
You say this like other brands products are flawless and don't randomly break ever. So far Apple is the only tech brand I have had no issues with and has vastly exceeded the experience I have had with alternatives.

noizejoy 4y ago

Benn Jordan just made a nice video explaining how brand loyalty is based on a deeply human trait: https://youtu.be/HqMMRh3VRT8 https://youtu.be/HqMMRh3VRT8

pattle 4y ago

I think having a strong personal attachment to a brand is actually pretty normal. If you spend a large chunk of your time using a companies products and those products make your easier/better it's understandable.

jamwil 4y ago

I don’t know that its what Apple does right but that the broader PC market continues to shoot itself in the foot. Little things like pre-installed bloatware and the inability to figure out smooth trackpad scrolling (still!) keep me firmly on Apple devices. And more recently, the M1 platform is remarkable, so I tip my hat to them for that and doing the basic stuff right (mostly—there have been blemishes obviously).

kayodelycaon 4y ago
What floors me is I've had several hilariously cheap Chromebooks and they all have better trackpads than every single PC I've owned. How!?
- bzzzt 4y ago
  Simple: because a single entity has responsibility for the entire product. PC's are built out of software from Microsoft, hardware from a random supplier (and probably a contractor who agreed to write a driver in a week), and a assembler/supplier like Dell or Lenovo who go for the lowest margin so can't and won't fix any of the mistakes of the other two parties.

8ytecoder 4y ago

It’s also because a good chunk of people also lie to get something fixed under warranty. Didn’t the other weak the article that rose to the front page talk in detail about the various frauds? I wish Apple wasn’t like this and spent time investigating each defect accurately to identify and issue “recalls”. They sure have the money to do it. But like every other capitalistic company - including the ones that put a 1 ton missile on the road - they fix something when they have a financial incentive to do it. Class action lawsuits are a good incentive. Loss of goodwill is a hard to quantify but important one as well. And I’m sure there’s a suit somewhere in Apple spaceship doing these calculations.

tomxor 4y ago

> credit to Apple to achieving this, and I don't mean this ironically. They must be doing something right to gather such a following Credit in a disgusting kind of way yes. A skill you can only admire abstractly. This kind of thing has been going on for well over a decade now, the reality distortion field that Jobs left behind is very real... It's China level of denialism, pretty sure Apple's internal media control slogan is "never admit fault, deny everything, at all cost" - even big fat class action cost, because that's cheaper than breaking the delusion of the pretty, perfect device with a massive markup. Once you've been burned once and they disrespect your intelligence you abandon them if you have any sense... but to be fair to others, some people become entrenched in the ecosystem and effectively have lockin, many of those poor souls do what any human does to protect their sanity in an impossible scenario, they lie to themselves to justify the economic and emotional cost to them - which ironically helps sustain the delusion for everyone else. Although maybe the single benefit of the big apps turning everything into a cloud subscription is that it reduces this somewhat. But everyone has limits, I'm convinced there is a critical mass Apple will disenchant where the illusion will finally be broken for everyone and they burn their image. Since the company is well and truly into the milking stage I'm sure this will happen sooner than later - Investors have limited life spans even if companies do not.

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Gigachad 4y ago

You say this like other brands products are flawless and don't randomly break ever. So far Apple is the only tech brand I have had no issues with and has vastly exceeded the experience I have had with alternatives.